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There are actually valid driver's licenses in the US without holograms. They are usually temporary IDs valid for 3 months or so. The one I had when I moved was

There are actually valid driver's licenses in the US without holograms. They are usually temporary IDs valid for 3 months or so. The one I had when I moved was printed on a very low quality inkjet printer... it looks more fake than a fake ID, but it is a legal, US government issued ID.

ceejayoz 10y ago
I just got my NYS license renewed. I was able to do it online, and it gave me a PDF to print myself.
Jemmeh 10y ago
Same. It actually takes them about a month to mail the plasticy version. I find it odd since I used to get the plasticy version while I was there at the DMV, but I figured it was probably more expensive to have one of those machines at all the DMVs, rather than just having a few in select locations.
- superuser2 10y ago
  Part of the Real ID program is physical security and internal controls at printing facilities beyond what DMV branch offices are generally capable of, as well as printing processes that require $300k+ of specialized equipment. The best route to a fake ID was previously to bribe a DMV clerk to use the printer after hours. Those fakes were basically undetectable by physical inspection. Very few convincing fakes (that are caught) are built to modern standards. Fake ID makers almost always imitate designs from before the institution of Real ID.
  - Jemmeh 10y ago
    I get the point of that, but doesn't that make it easy to "fake" a temp one because the temporary ones are really just printed on a poor inkjet printer?
    - superuser2 10y ago
      The piece of paper they give you at the DMV will work in a traffic stop, and maybe for voting (not doing so is a civil rights lawsuit waiting to happen) but is unlikely to be accepted anywhere else. Most organizations would rather see your slightly expired card, demand a second factor, or just refuse service rather than trust a piece of printer paper. You're definitely not getting into a bar with a temporary ID if you look plausibly underage, or the kids would be doing that already.
      - Jemmeh 10y ago
        I had two recently (renewed, then moved states). I've been able to use my temp ID at several bars & also to redeem tickets at an event. Sometimes they looked a little unsure for a moment, but they shrugged and went on with it.
- monocasa 10y ago
  At least in my state, they moved them to a 'secure' facility as part of all of the post 9/11 crap.

ceejayoz 10y ago

I just got my NYS license renewed. I was able to do it online, and it gave me a PDF to print myself.

Jemmeh 10y ago

Same. It actually takes them about a month to mail the plasticy version. I find it odd since I used to get the plasticy version while I was there at the DMV, but I figured it was probably more expensive to have one of those machines at all the DMVs, rather than just having a few in select locations.

superuser2 10y ago
Part of the Real ID program is physical security and internal controls at printing facilities beyond what DMV branch offices are generally capable of, as well as printing processes that require $300k+ of specialized equipment. The best route to a fake ID was previously to bribe a DMV clerk to use the printer after hours. Those fakes were basically undetectable by physical inspection. Very few convincing fakes (that are caught) are built to modern standards. Fake ID makers almost always imitate designs from before the institution of Real ID.
- Jemmeh 10y ago
  I get the point of that, but doesn't that make it easy to "fake" a temp one because the temporary ones are really just printed on a poor inkjet printer?
  - superuser2 10y ago
    The piece of paper they give you at the DMV will work in a traffic stop, and maybe for voting (not doing so is a civil rights lawsuit waiting to happen) but is unlikely to be accepted anywhere else. Most organizations would rather see your slightly expired card, demand a second factor, or just refuse service rather than trust a piece of printer paper. You're definitely not getting into a bar with a temporary ID if you look plausibly underage, or the kids would be doing that already.
    - Jemmeh 10y ago
      I had two recently (renewed, then moved states). I've been able to use my temp ID at several bars & also to redeem tickets at an event. Sometimes they looked a little unsure for a moment, but they shrugged and went on with it.
monocasa 10y ago
At least in my state, they moved them to a 'secure' facility as part of all of the post 9/11 crap.