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Wow, that's a strong claim backed up by... absolutely nothing of merit.

socialist_coder 10y ago
That was my take away too. There are no mentions of studies or simulations to back up the primary claim that inflation would eat away any UBI based benefits.
- Aelinsaar 10y ago
  I was waiting for something too, even something flimsy. I guess the takeaway is that until this is studied and probably put into practice in pilot programs like HN's and others', we're just going to be subjected to load of ideological rhetoric.
- tricknik 10y ago
  Do you mean no studies other than the citation to Minsky who extensively shows just that? Here is the original paper: http://digitalcommons.bard.edu/hm_archive/429/ http://digitalcommons.bard.edu/hm_archive/429/
sebastianconcpt 10y ago
Uses the word "neoliberal" you know that is cultural marxist propaganda. Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8pPbrbJJQs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8pPbrbJJQs
- Aelinsaar 10y ago
  "Cultural Marxist"... irony?
  - sebastianconcpt 10y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Gramscianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Gramscianism
    - Aelinsaar 10y ago
      ...Which doesn't even mention "Cultural Marxism". What I did find is this from Wikipedia: 'Cultural Marxism' in modern political parlance commonly refers to a conspiracy theory which sees the Frankfurt School as part of a contemporary movement within the political left to take over and destroy Western society. And this gem: http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/c/cf/Dummies_Guide_to_Cultural_Marxist_caste_system.jpg http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/c/cf/Dummies_Guide_to_Cultu... So pretty standard /pol/ nonsense.
      - sebastianconcpt 10y ago
        Cultural Marxism comes from the Frankfurt School betting on Gramsci realization that Marxism will not work if tried to be implanted by an armed revolution but with a "long run" cultural subversion that can dominate culturally its institutions. Example: from destroying family and individual identity (specially sexuality) you prepare dudes that _will_ fallback to depend on what's left: the state. When that happens, gravitating to political clientelism is a piece of cake (everyone will defend The Matrix unless it starts to collapse like in Venezuela is).
        Aelinsaar 10y ago
        Sorry, I'm not buying what you're selling, and I did a bit more research on the term "Cultural Marxism". So... yeah, nice try.
tricknik 10y ago
The article cites not only the proponents, like Friedman, but also Minsky, Kalecki, etc, that is merit.

That was my take away too. There are no mentions of studies or simulations to back up the primary claim that inflation would eat away any UBI based benefits.

Aelinsaar 10y ago
I was waiting for something too, even something flimsy. I guess the takeaway is that until this is studied and probably put into practice in pilot programs like HN's and others', we're just going to be subjected to load of ideological rhetoric.
tricknik 10y ago
Do you mean no studies other than the citation to Minsky who extensively shows just that? Here is the original paper: http://digitalcommons.bard.edu/hm_archive/429/ http://digitalcommons.bard.edu/hm_archive/429/

sebastianconcpt 10y ago

Uses the word "neoliberal" you know that is cultural marxist propaganda. Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8pPbrbJJQs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8pPbrbJJQs

Aelinsaar 10y ago
"Cultural Marxist"... irony?
- sebastianconcpt 10y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Gramscianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Gramscianism
  - Aelinsaar 10y ago
    ...Which doesn't even mention "Cultural Marxism". What I did find is this from Wikipedia: 'Cultural Marxism' in modern political parlance commonly refers to a conspiracy theory which sees the Frankfurt School as part of a contemporary movement within the political left to take over and destroy Western society. And this gem: http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/c/cf/Dummies_Guide_to_Cultural_Marxist_caste_system.jpg http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/c/cf/Dummies_Guide_to_Cultu... So pretty standard /pol/ nonsense.
    - sebastianconcpt 10y ago
      Cultural Marxism comes from the Frankfurt School betting on Gramsci realization that Marxism will not work if tried to be implanted by an armed revolution but with a "long run" cultural subversion that can dominate culturally its institutions. Example: from destroying family and individual identity (specially sexuality) you prepare dudes that _will_ fallback to depend on what's left: the state. When that happens, gravitating to political clientelism is a piece of cake (everyone will defend The Matrix unless it starts to collapse like in Venezuela is).
      - Aelinsaar 10y ago
        Sorry, I'm not buying what you're selling, and I did a bit more research on the term "Cultural Marxism". So... yeah, nice try.

tricknik 10y ago

The article cites not only the proponents, like Friedman, but also Minsky, Kalecki, etc, that is merit.