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This is all very interesting, but has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with my point. I am saying that both web dev and nursing can be very challenging, yet

This is all very interesting, but has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with my point. I am saying that both web dev and nursing can be very challenging, yet while everybody of college ability could learn enough web dev to function well in a junior position (and your description definitely wasn't a junior position at any of the companies I have seen), very few have the emotional and psychological strength to work as a nurse - especially given the difference in pay. The world knows how difficult software development is - we don't need to put down other professions (which equally difficult yet in a different way)

geebee 10y ago
We're having this discussion in slow motion. We're both looking at exactly the same words, sometimes people just reach different conclusions. You've said that we don't need to put down other professions, but consider your words about software development and nursing... "I am pretty sure I could teach her enough to do an entry level web dev job within 2-3 months, whereas there is no way I would be mentally or emotionally prepared to deal with working life as a 'real' nurse within that short amount of time, if ever." I do see that as putting down software development in order to build up nursing. Like I said, we're looking at the same words, so this is just a matter of perspective. Perspectives sometimes vary because of experience. I actually don't agree, as a general condition, that the world knows how difficult software development is. Some of the world does, and some software development positions are clearly respected. But as a general statement? No, I really don't agree - I see too many developers working loud, distracting open offices, back visibility, methodologies that reduce autonomy and long term thinking the to micromanaged 24 hour "sprints", and a career path where "successful" people should term out before age 35. I certainly wouldn't argue that this describes all dev jobs, but it sure does describe a lot of them. I do think that the kind of denigration of the field I'm hearing here does contribute to this.

geebee 10y ago

We're having this discussion in slow motion. We're both looking at exactly the same words, sometimes people just reach different conclusions. You've said that we don't need to put down other professions, but consider your words about software development and nursing... "I am pretty sure I could teach her enough to do an entry level web dev job within 2-3 months, whereas there is no way I would be mentally or emotionally prepared to deal with working life as a 'real' nurse within that short amount of time, if ever." I do see that as putting down software development in order to build up nursing. Like I said, we're looking at the same words, so this is just a matter of perspective. Perspectives sometimes vary because of experience. I actually don't agree, as a general condition, that the world knows how difficult software development is. Some of the world does, and some software development positions are clearly respected. But as a general statement? No, I really don't agree - I see too many developers working loud, distracting open offices, back visibility, methodologies that reduce autonomy and long term thinking the to micromanaged 24 hour "sprints", and a career path where "successful" people should term out before age 35. I certainly wouldn't argue that this describes all dev jobs, but it sure does describe a lot of them. I do think that the kind of denigration of the field I'm hearing here does contribute to this.