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Russians (Great Russians, Russish, русские, великоросы) were speaking their own native languages. For example, Putin is Uyghur. He is Russian and his native lan
by lisivka 10y ago
Russians (Great Russians, Russish, русские, великоросы) were speaking their own native languages. For example, Putin is Uyghur. He is Russian and his native language is Russian, but Russian is not native language for Uyghurs.
The longer explanation:
There is three kinds of "Russians". Rus`, Rusyns, Russians.
Rus` lived at Baltic Sea. Rus` means "red". They were warriors, i.e. their life was to fight, trade, and collect taxes. Their native language is unknown (probably, Old Norse). At times of Great Epidemic, they left their city (now known as Old Russa, Старая Русса) and "concurred" South and started to govern it, so territory of current Ukraine got name "Rus`". Slavish colonists at these territories got name "Rusyns" (русины) (see below). At time of expansion of Rus`, North people was concurred and paid taxes to Rus` (Лаврентеевская летопись, ст 4. об. «А вот другие народы, дающие дань Руси: чудь, меря, весь, мурома, черемисы, мордва, пермь, печера, ямь, литва, зимигола, корсь, нарова, ливонцы, - эти говорят на своих языках, они - потомство Иафета, живущее в северных странах.»). They got name "Russish" (русские). This was time of "Great Rus`", so North Russians are also known as "Great Russians" (Великоросы), while South Russians (Slavs) are also known as "Little (Core) Russians" (Малоросы).
Summary:
* Rus` - possibly warriors union or Varangians, native language (probably): Old Norse.
* Rusyns (Ukrainians) - Slavish colonists governed by Rus`, native language: Slavish.
* Russish (Russians) - native Europeans, native language: many, probably Finno-Ugric and others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus'_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus'_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staraya_Russa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staraya_Russa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus'_%28name%29#From_Rus.27_to_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus'_%28name%29#From_Rus.27_to...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_peoples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_peoples
NOTE: -in, -yn, -an means "he/she" (modified "он" - "he"), -yny, -iny, -any, -ini, etc. - "they" (modified "они" - they) ("y" as in lynx). So Rysyn (русин) means "he is Rus`", Rysyny (русини) means "they are (people of) Rus`". Russians means "they are Russia", "россияне", but selfname of Russians is Russish ("русские").
Moreover, Russia is Greek name of Rus`, given by Catherine II (born in Prussia) to Moscovia, because Russia was used at West as name of past parts of Great Russia. Nikolai Kostomarov wrote something like "LOL, we are Russians now" at time of rename (ДЂло въ томъ, что названіе Руси укрЂпилось издревле за южнорусскимъ народомъ. Названіе не возникаетъ безъ факта. Нельзя навязать народу ни съ того, ни съ сего какое-нибудь имя. Это могло приходить въ голову только такимъ мудрецамъ, противъ которыхъ мы недавно писали (1) и которые намъ сообщили прекурьёзную новость, какъ Екатерина II, высочайшимъ повелЂніемъ, даровала Московскому народу имя Русскаго и запретила ему употреблять древнее свое имя — Московитяне.)
- mcguire 10y ago"At times of Great Epidemic,..." The plague of 1770?
- lisivka 10y agoNo. It was about 1 thousand of years earlier. Documents and recorded stories are referred to two major events, which caused to abandon cities and colonies: Great Epidemic, then army of White Ugric.
- mcguire 10y agoThanks! Do you have a recommendation for learning more?
- lisivka 10y agoSources about that period of colonization of Eastern Europe by Slavs are Greek (colonies in Crimea, Byzantine), then Arabic (traders), then Slavish (church chronicles, recorded stories). There are very few documents to read (few dozens only).
- ptaipale 10y agoWould the Great Epidemic refer to Plague of Justinian? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Justinian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Justinian That army of White Ugric sounds unfamiliar to me, what would that be? Perhaps the Finno-Ugric tribes who in 1087 raided and sacked Sigtuna, then capital of Swedes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigtuna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigtuna
- lisivka 10y agoYep, Great Epidemic ("Великий Мор") is Plague of Justinian. Army of White Ugric (Hungaries?) was in 898: В год 6406 (898). Шли угры мимо Киева горою, которая прозывается теперь Угорской, пришли к Днепру и стали вежами: ходили они так же, как теперь половцы. И, придя с востока, устремились через великие горы, которые прозвались Угорскими горами, и стали воевать с жившими там волохами и славянами. Сидели ведь тут прежде славяне, а затем Славянскую землю захватили волохи. А после угры прогнали волохов, унаследовали ту землю и поселились со славянами, покорив их себе; и с тех пор прозвалась земля Угорской. (Hungaries passed Kiev in 898).