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Yep, when one side fires whole village with habitats - it is just military operation. When other side does same in response - it is genocide. When Russians kil

by lisivka 10y ago

Yep, when one side fires whole village with habitats - it is just military operation. When other side does same in response - it is genocide. When Russians killed 7 millions of Ukrainians (Holodomor) - it was minor economic problem. When Ukrainian will kill even few hundreds of thousands of Russians - it will be major genocide. Documents about Polish military police at Volyn: Motyka G. Polski policjant na Wołyniu // «Karta». — 1998. — № 24.

trhway 10y ago
again, that is exactly that separates Ukranian nationalists today from the normal people. Germans committed genocide, tragic fact, accepted, and they don't try to defend it, to provide reasons trying to justify it. Because normal people understand that there is no "genocide because ...", there is just genocide. USSR committed a number of genocides, against aristocracy, against clergy, against peasants with the Ukranian Holodomor being part of that one (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%93...) as it was across the Ukraine and Russia agricultural regions (and yep, my grandparents, peasants from Kiev region, ended up in the end of 193x, the whole family with 5 children, in a labor camp on some large industrial site in West Russia - that how being fortunate looked back then.). Those genocides are tragic historic facts, nobody is trying to defend it. Only Ukranian nationalist are trying to balance the genocide committed by Bandera's OUN/UPA with the various other stuff. Again, if you wanna discuss Holodomor, or insufficient attention and emphasis on it in modern Russian politics for example - be my guest, i pretty much agree with it. Yet Russians dont' say that Holodomor was a response to something. Soviet Army committed a bunch of atrocities against German population - it is also very unpopular topic in Russia, yet nobody is trying to frame it as a response for the German actions. >When Russians killed 7 millions of Ukrainians (Holodomor) do you really think that it were specifically ethnic Russian policemen that came all the way to enforce "law of Spikelets" and passports laws, not the local communists/activists/police/kolhoz administration? My grandparents i mentioned above had never said anything bad about Russians, it is the local kolhoz administration, Party officials and the whole USSR government system, independent of ethnicity, that had always been target of their hot ("matyugi") words. >When Ukrainian will kill even few hundreds of thousands of Russians "even few hundreds of thousands of Russians" - as i said there huge difference between normal people and Ukranian nationalists.
- lisivka 10y ago
  Stepan Bandera organized killing of soviet consul to stop Holodomor, event known as "shot, which saved millions". It is why Russians hate Bandera so much - he stopped genocide. > do you really think that it were specifically ethnic Russian policemen that came all the way to enforce "law of Spikelets" and passports laws, not the local communists/activists/police/kolhoz administration? > "even few hundreds of thousands of Russians" - as i said there huge difference between normal people and Ukranian nationalists. Do you think only Ukrainians will shoot Russians?

by lisivka 10y ago

trhway 10y ago

again, that is exactly that separates Ukranian nationalists today from the normal people. Germans committed genocide, tragic fact, accepted, and they don't try to defend it, to provide reasons trying to justify it. Because normal people understand that there is no "genocide because ...", there is just genocide. USSR committed a number of genocides, against aristocracy, against clergy, against peasants with the Ukranian Holodomor being part of that one (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%93...) as it was across the Ukraine and Russia agricultural regions (and yep, my grandparents, peasants from Kiev region, ended up in the end of 193x, the whole family with 5 children, in a labor camp on some large industrial site in West Russia - that how being fortunate looked back then.). Those genocides are tragic historic facts, nobody is trying to defend it. Only Ukranian nationalist are trying to balance the genocide committed by Bandera's OUN/UPA with the various other stuff. Again, if you wanna discuss Holodomor, or insufficient attention and emphasis on it in modern Russian politics for example - be my guest, i pretty much agree with it. Yet Russians dont' say that Holodomor was a response to something. Soviet Army committed a bunch of atrocities against German population - it is also very unpopular topic in Russia, yet nobody is trying to frame it as a response for the German actions. >When Russians killed 7 millions of Ukrainians (Holodomor) do you really think that it were specifically ethnic Russian policemen that came all the way to enforce "law of Spikelets" and passports laws, not the local communists/activists/police/kolhoz administration? My grandparents i mentioned above had never said anything bad about Russians, it is the local kolhoz administration, Party officials and the whole USSR government system, independent of ethnicity, that had always been target of their hot ("matyugi") words. >When Ukrainian will kill even few hundreds of thousands of Russians "even few hundreds of thousands of Russians" - as i said there huge difference between normal people and Ukranian nationalists.

lisivka 10y ago
Stepan Bandera organized killing of soviet consul to stop Holodomor, event known as "shot, which saved millions". It is why Russians hate Bandera so much - he stopped genocide. > do you really think that it were specifically ethnic Russian policemen that came all the way to enforce "law of Spikelets" and passports laws, not the local communists/activists/police/kolhoz administration? > "even few hundreds of thousands of Russians" - as i said there huge difference between normal people and Ukranian nationalists. Do you think only Ukrainians will shoot Russians?