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Honestly, the biggest thing that hurts Mozilla's market share right now is the pre-loading of Chrome on Android devices. Mozilla should hope that the EU takes s

by mtgx 10y ago

Honestly, the biggest thing that hurts Mozilla's market share right now is the pre-loading of Chrome on Android devices. Mozilla should hope that the EU takes some kind of action against Google over this, so at least Google shouldn't consider it a "hostile action" when a random OEM wants to put Firefox on its devices rather than Chrome. I would say the same applies to iOS, but to a smaller degree. Also, I'm not sure if Microsoft still respects the browser option thing in Europe with Windows 10 anymore. That said, the pre-loading of Chrome may be the biggest problem right now, but Firefox's reputation has also degraded in many users' eyes, so they need to keep doing stuff that truly sets them apart compared to Chrome, and it's also not easy for Chrome to replicate because it would be counter to Google's incentives (like the privacy stuff).

gsnedders 10y ago
> Honestly, the biggest thing that hurts Mozilla's market share right now is the pre-loading of Chrome on Android devices. Mozilla should hope that the EU takes some kind of action against Google over this, so at least Google shouldn't consider it a "hostile action" when a random OEM wants to put Firefox on its devices rather than Chrome. Why? What has Google done monopolistically here? They don't stop OEMs from shipping other browsers, as far as I'm aware, even as the default. Samsung, noticeably, ship Samsung Internet (still Chromium-based) as the default browser on their devices. The fact that OEMs basically always decide not to ship other browsers isn't something that's Google's fault. > Also, I'm not sure if Microsoft still respects the browser option thing in Europe with Windows 10 anymore. They don't. The five year term of the EC and Microsoft agreement ended at the end of 2014, and they've had no obligation to ever since. The website itself has been gone since mid-2015.

by mtgx 10y ago

gsnedders 10y ago

> Honestly, the biggest thing that hurts Mozilla's market share right now is the pre-loading of Chrome on Android devices. Mozilla should hope that the EU takes some kind of action against Google over this, so at least Google shouldn't consider it a "hostile action" when a random OEM wants to put Firefox on its devices rather than Chrome. Why? What has Google done monopolistically here? They don't stop OEMs from shipping other browsers, as far as I'm aware, even as the default. Samsung, noticeably, ship Samsung Internet (still Chromium-based) as the default browser on their devices. The fact that OEMs basically always decide not to ship other browsers isn't something that's Google's fault. > Also, I'm not sure if Microsoft still respects the browser option thing in Europe with Windows 10 anymore. They don't. The five year term of the EC and Microsoft agreement ended at the end of 2014, and they've had no obligation to ever since. The website itself has been gone since mid-2015.