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I think using Tor as it is intended to be used requires some change in user's browsing habits as well. So pulling in all the Tor specific settings into firefox

by Achshar 10y ago

I think using Tor as it is intended to be used requires some change in user's browsing habits as well. So pulling in all the Tor specific settings into firefox won't be much help if the user then goes and signs into facebook and gmail.

tn13 10y ago
What if the incognito mode makes Firefox something much closer to Tor ?
andrewstuart2 10y ago
I think it'd be a pretty darn powerful addition to Private Browsing, though. Perhaps "Off the Grid" mode or some additional third level of privacy that comes with a warning about never logging into services, etc, if you truly don't want to be tracked.
Teever 10y ago
Let's take this one step at a time. Before the user habits can be an issue we need to have the framework in which they can be a problem. I'm sure that we can develop prompts and warnings to aid users if they attempt to visit these sites in a fashion analogous to unsecure site warnings.
Manishearth 10y ago
I'm not sure how this is relevant to the post? They're not talking about giving Firefox a "tor mode". The Tor browser uses Firefox under the hood with a few add-on and flipped default settings. Currently, it uses a fork of Firefox with slight modifications (like the ability to disable mathml). They intend to make it so that this fork is unnecessary. The Tor browser will probably continue to be something you need to install to use.
- yohui 10y ago
  I think some people read the title (Mozilla: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”) and assumed Mozilla wants to incorporate all the Tor Browser's features. A closer look at the link should make it clear that the changes being discussed are more specific. It's almost clickbait.
  - int_19h 10y ago
    I've interpreted the title that way, too, but partly because it might actually make sense. Consider this. Firefox peaked a while ago; since then, Chrome ate every other browser's lunch, and the only browser that had user share declining faster than Firefox was IE (but even so, IE still has more users). Google has the brand recognition on their side, and on top of that, they have actually made a browser that "just works" for 99% of people out there, the way Firefox never quite did. Since contesting Chrome's market share is rather pointless, Firefox needs a niche of its own now. Integrating Tor in a seamless way would be a great opportunity to create one.
    - RubyPinch 10y ago
      eh, the final pieces are kind of all being worked on multiprocessing to stop freezing issues and increase response speed a permissioned API for extensions, easier and saner full themes system (faster/easier development time for updates, and a wider range of extensions/themes as a result) and switching critical components to a safer language) which imo are more important for users than doing something an existing firefox fork does (like, if there was demand for firefox with seamless tor, then they would get the firefox with seamless tor today, because it already exists)
Spivak 10y ago
This could actually be solved by Firefox's new contextual identity project by having the Tor identity isolated.

by Achshar 10y ago

tn13 10y ago

What if the incognito mode makes Firefox something much closer to Tor ?

andrewstuart2 10y ago

I think it'd be a pretty darn powerful addition to Private Browsing, though. Perhaps "Off the Grid" mode or some additional third level of privacy that comes with a warning about never logging into services, etc, if you truly don't want to be tracked.

Teever 10y ago

Let's take this one step at a time. Before the user habits can be an issue we need to have the framework in which they can be a problem. I'm sure that we can develop prompts and warnings to aid users if they attempt to visit these sites in a fashion analogous to unsecure site warnings.

Manishearth 10y ago

I'm not sure how this is relevant to the post? They're not talking about giving Firefox a "tor mode". The Tor browser uses Firefox under the hood with a few add-on and flipped default settings. Currently, it uses a fork of Firefox with slight modifications (like the ability to disable mathml). They intend to make it so that this fork is unnecessary. The Tor browser will probably continue to be something you need to install to use.

yohui 10y ago
I think some people read the title (Mozilla: “Our primary goal is to un-fork the Tor Browser”) and assumed Mozilla wants to incorporate all the Tor Browser's features. A closer look at the link should make it clear that the changes being discussed are more specific. It's almost clickbait.
- int_19h 10y ago
  I've interpreted the title that way, too, but partly because it might actually make sense. Consider this. Firefox peaked a while ago; since then, Chrome ate every other browser's lunch, and the only browser that had user share declining faster than Firefox was IE (but even so, IE still has more users). Google has the brand recognition on their side, and on top of that, they have actually made a browser that "just works" for 99% of people out there, the way Firefox never quite did. Since contesting Chrome's market share is rather pointless, Firefox needs a niche of its own now. Integrating Tor in a seamless way would be a great opportunity to create one.
  - RubyPinch 10y ago
    eh, the final pieces are kind of all being worked on multiprocessing to stop freezing issues and increase response speed a permissioned API for extensions, easier and saner full themes system (faster/easier development time for updates, and a wider range of extensions/themes as a result) and switching critical components to a safer language) which imo are more important for users than doing something an existing firefox fork does (like, if there was demand for firefox with seamless tor, then they would get the firefox with seamless tor today, because it already exists)

Spivak 10y ago

This could actually be solved by Firefox's new contextual identity project by having the Tor identity isolated.