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$399? ouch.

by empressplay 10y ago

$399? ouch.

iamcreasy 10y ago
$99 for Non-commercial use.
- moyix 10y ago
  You can't buy that version yet, though.
  - psifertex 10y ago
    Should be out in a week or two. Most of the code changes are done, we're just taking a break between DEF CON / recuperating from a lot of long nights getting the first release out. It should only take a day or two once we get working again.
    - moyix 10y ago
      Cool! Looking forward to it.
    - rincebrain 10y ago
      When it says the non-commercial version lacks "High-Performance Multi-Threading", does that mean all decompiles are going to be single-threaded, or every kind of worker in the entire platform, or ? I (mostly) understand the rationale of not wanting to make it easy to bulk-decompile binaries for supposedly "non-commercial" users, but I'd be wary of seeing how much personal usability suffers before signing the dotted line.
      - ej_campbell 10y ago
        > non-commercial version lacks "High-Performance Multi-Threading" At least until someone uses the tool to remove these limitations from Binary Ninja itself.
        seanp2k2 10y ago
        Assuming they ship the version with it enabled in the cheaper versions. It's always been hilarious to me that the software which is used to remove license checks and registration schemes has those things. IMO give it away and sell commercial licenses as support / etc. seems like given all the trouble trying to implement DRM and checks for the people who are most skilled at breaking those things is kinda pointless for the returns you get. Also, your product would likely generate a lot of good will and user adoption, since seriously a lot of people who want this stuff aren't even 18 yet and couldn't afford it anyway. Just give it to them, let them grow up learning how to use it, then sell it to their employer some day. Adobe and MSFT do this at the university level with great success.
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- loeg 10y ago
  How does one use a binary reverser commercially?
  - bathory 10y ago
    anti-virus development, just to name one...
  - SXX 10y ago
    For reverse engineering of protocols and formats for legacy software that was developed decades ago with no source code available. This is totally legal in many cases since there tons of companies that lose source for their own software.
  - baby 10y ago
    security audit
moyix 10y ago
Their main competitor is IDA Pro, which goes for $1129 for its "standard" edition. There is a version of IDA Pro that's only $589, but it supports only 32-bit code.
- SXX 10y ago
  Cost of IDA is nothing. Actual problem is that you can't really buy it at all if you're not well-known expert or AV company employee. Plenty of people would be happy to buy it, but they can't.
  - dsacco 10y ago
    >>Actual problem is that you can't really buy it at all if you're not well-known expert or AV company employee. Plenty of people would be happy to buy it, but they can't. This is patently false. You can buy all HexRays products online.[1] I've done it myself. I'm confused as to why you're claiming this. [1]: https://www.hex-rays.com/cgi-bin/quote.cgi https://www.hex-rays.com/cgi-bin/quote.cgi
    - SXX 10y ago
      Lucky you then. They simply not selling it to someone who reverse engineer old games for instance. Or anyone who decide to not send them scan of their passport and provide any other weird proof of identify. PS: Just in case not everyone live in first world countries or being employee of well known companies. While it's possible to buy almost any software just fine IDA have extremely weird policies.
      - Darmani 10y ago
        Hi, I bought a copy of IDA when I was 18 expressly for the purpose of reverse-engineering old games. To be fair, I used my university E-mail, and they thought they were licensing it to my university until I tried to transfer it to my personal E-mail upon graduating....
      - seanp2k2 10y ago

$399? ouch.

iamcreasy 10y ago

$99 for Non-commercial use.

moyix 10y ago
You can't buy that version yet, though.
- psifertex 10y ago
  Should be out in a week or two. Most of the code changes are done, we're just taking a break between DEF CON / recuperating from a lot of long nights getting the first release out. It should only take a day or two once we get working again.
  - moyix 10y ago
    Cool! Looking forward to it.
  - rincebrain 10y ago
    When it says the non-commercial version lacks "High-Performance Multi-Threading", does that mean all decompiles are going to be single-threaded, or every kind of worker in the entire platform, or ? I (mostly) understand the rationale of not wanting to make it easy to bulk-decompile binaries for supposedly "non-commercial" users, but I'd be wary of seeing how much personal usability suffers before signing the dotted line.
    - ej_campbell 10y ago
      > non-commercial version lacks "High-Performance Multi-Threading" At least until someone uses the tool to remove these limitations from Binary Ninja itself.
      - seanp2k2 10y ago
        Assuming they ship the version with it enabled in the cheaper versions. It's always been hilarious to me that the software which is used to remove license checks and registration schemes has those things. IMO give it away and sell commercial licenses as support / etc. seems like given all the trouble trying to implement DRM and checks for the people who are most skilled at breaking those things is kinda pointless for the returns you get. Also, your product would likely generate a lot of good will and user adoption, since seriously a lot of people who want this stuff aren't even 18 yet and couldn't afford it anyway. Just give it to them, let them grow up learning how to use it, then sell it to their employer some day. Adobe and MSFT do this at the university level with great success.
      - deleted 10y ago
        [deleted]
loeg 10y ago
How does one use a binary reverser commercially?
- bathory 10y ago
  anti-virus development, just to name one...
- SXX 10y ago
  For reverse engineering of protocols and formats for legacy software that was developed decades ago with no source code available. This is totally legal in many cases since there tons of companies that lose source for their own software.
- baby 10y ago
  security audit

moyix 10y ago

Their main competitor is IDA Pro, which goes for $1129 for its "standard" edition. There is a version of IDA Pro that's only $589, but it supports only 32-bit code.

SXX 10y ago
Cost of IDA is nothing. Actual problem is that you can't really buy it at all if you're not well-known expert or AV company employee. Plenty of people would be happy to buy it, but they can't.
- dsacco 10y ago
  >>Actual problem is that you can't really buy it at all if you're not well-known expert or AV company employee. Plenty of people would be happy to buy it, but they can't. This is patently false. You can buy all HexRays products online.[1] I've done it myself. I'm confused as to why you're claiming this. [1]: https://www.hex-rays.com/cgi-bin/quote.cgi https://www.hex-rays.com/cgi-bin/quote.cgi
  - SXX 10y ago
    Lucky you then. They simply not selling it to someone who reverse engineer old games for instance. Or anyone who decide to not send them scan of their passport and provide any other weird proof of identify. PS: Just in case not everyone live in first world countries or being employee of well known companies. While it's possible to buy almost any software just fine IDA have extremely weird policies.
    - Darmani 10y ago
      Hi, I bought a copy of IDA when I was 18 expressly for the purpose of reverse-engineering old games. To be fair, I used my university E-mail, and they thought they were licensing it to my university until I tried to transfer it to my personal E-mail upon graduating....
    - seanp2k2 10y ago