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I think the problem is is when their arguments are presented, such as the write up for that book, they are filled with logical fallacies, hyperbole, poor morals
by conception 10y ago
I think the problem is is when their arguments are presented, such as the write up for that book, they are filled with logical fallacies, hyperbole, poor morals and ineffective policies.
Just a quick list from that page -
"Dana Loesch believes in Christianity, patriotism, traditional marriage, and the right to bear arms, among other “quaint” ideas. For the elites in DC, Los Angeles, New York, and Silicon Valley, that makes her as bizarre as a three-headed dog." - Nice use of "elites". If you disagree with her, you must be one of those crazy elites. Also, nice fallacy equating her views with patriotism and Christianity, again if you disagree you must not be a true patriot/Christian.
• In Flyover America, people believe criminals should be punished. Coastal America focuses on “rehabilitation.”
--Unless you believe in revenge and career criminals, rehabilitation is a far better way to deal with convicted criminals. Also, nice use of quotes on rehabilitation. If you just want to punish them and not try to stop their cycle of criminality, what sort of people are these? Not good ones.
• Flyovers think the Declaration of Independence was crystal clear: “All men are created equal.” For Coastals, Black Lives Matter—but anyone who adds that all lives matter must be a racist.
---First, hilariously myopic because the Declaration of Independence was written when slavery was in full gear and women has very few rights. Hence "all men". Also, if you don't understand what people mean when they say "Black Lives Matter" you are really lacking empathy and saying "All lives matter" is missing the point so hard, that yes, it borders on racism.
• Coastals think they understand firearms because they watched a TV movie about Columbine. Fly- overs get a deer rifle for their thirteenth birthday.
--I'm pretty sure the debate is over military style weapons with large magazine and high rates of fire, not deer rifles. But nice strawman.
• Coastals talk about blue-collar workers in the abstract. Flyovers have a relative who works the night shift in a granola bar factory, where the big perk is taking home a bag full of granola bars every Friday.
---No one on the coasts have shitty jobs. Nope.
• Coastals think every problem—from hurt feelings to the cost of birth control—requires government intervention and huge federal spending. Flyovers know that money isn’t magic fairy dust, and many problems can be solved only by individual character and hard work.
---Many problems can be solved only by individual character and hard work, except of course for all the problems "fly-over nation" has. Or is she saying that those people don't have character and are lazy? Hard to tell. Or maybe she's just demonizing the government to pander to her audience.
How can you be angry at Walmart if you’ve never shopped in one?
--How can I be against the use of nuclear weapons if I have never survived one? The answer is called education, research and data. Surprisingly, you can learn things and form opinions without having to experience the thing you are researching.
How can you hate the police if you’ve never needed help from a cop?
--- I think she's trying to say "How can white 'elites' on the coast hate the police if they don't need them". Which of course, more logical fallacies. Talking about police corruption and wanting to do something about it is of course is the same thing as hating them, right? Right?
How can you attack Christians if you don’t have a single friend who goes to church?
-- How can you attack Muslims if you don't have a single friend who goes to mosque? Oh wait. She probably wouldn't want that question turned around on her. Also, who's attacking Christians? 70% of the country is Christian. What is she afraid of? Is this is a war on Christmas thing? Manufactured outrage created by media companies to get ratings.
If you aren't willing to step up to the table with rational, well reasoned arguments that improve the country as a whole why should people bother to listen? Asking how can they judge walmart if they haven't been in one? It'd be laughable if people didn't take it seriously.
- falsestprophet 10y ago"Also, if you don't understand what people mean when they say "Black Lives Matter" you are really lacking empathy and saying "All lives matter" is missing the point so hard, that yes, it borders on racism." That is a meaningless statement. One could just as easily reverse it: Also, if you don't understand what people mean when they say "All Lives Matter" you are really lacking empathy and saying "Black lives matter" is missing the point so hard, that yes, it borders on racism.
- conception 10y agoNot really. Saying All Lives Matter is like going to a Breast Cancer charity event and protesting, "ALL CANCERS MATTER!" You're missing the point of the movement/event. Because of course, on paper, all lives matter, but in the real world we're pretty far from that. ALM is a just a dismissive response and action against a movement that's trying to bring attention on where we want to be from where we currently are.
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- nerdponx 10y agoNo you couldn't.
- coupdetaco 10y agoThe value of a Black Life needs to appreciate. Black lives matter isnt a function of All Lives Matter. All Lives Matter is not a thing...there is nothing there, so its not like BLM was a reaction to it. BLM is a reaction to the higher-order values that ALM flows from. The sort of values which function to ignore injustice and perpetuate white supremacy. Of course all lives matter. Which is why I say to you, Black Lives Matter! It correctly identifies a problem so that leaders in white and black and diverse communities can actually do something about it. It's not abstract; people are dying.
- protomyth 10y ago> How can you be angry at Walmart if you’ve never shopped in one? > --How can I be against the use of nuclear weapons if I have never survived one? The answer is called education, research and data. Surprisingly, you can learn things and form opinions without having to experience the thing you are researching. You go for the absurd from the quotes on a jacket meant to sell books. Whose opinion and research are you getting? The people she is talking about are the ones writing up that research and opinion. Someone actually needs to directly observe. > How can you hate the police if you’ve never needed help from a cop? --- I think she's trying to say "How can white 'elites' on the coast hate the police if they don't need them". Which of course, more logical fallacies. Talking about police corruption and wanting to do something about it is of course is the same thing as hating them, right? Right? Nope, that's not what she's saying and I would direct you to read the actual book, not the cover blurbs. > How can you attack Christians if you don’t have a single friend who goes to church? -- How can you attack Muslims if you don't have a single friend who goes to mosque? Oh wait. She probably wouldn't want that question turned around on her. Also, who's attacking Christians? 70% of the country is Christian. What is she afraid of? Is this is a war on Christmas thing? Manufactured outrage created by media companies to get ratings. Nope, that's not what she's saying and I would direct you to read the actual book, not the cover blurbs. Whose attacking Christians? She gives specific cases in the book. > If you aren't willing to step up to the table with rational, well reasoned arguments that improve the country as a whole why should people bother to listen? Asking how can they judge walmart if they haven't been in one? It'd be laughable if people didn't take it seriously. This pretty much is the sum of things. Answer everything with hyperbole and dismissal so you don't have to take a look at other people's point of view.