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Again what does all this have to do with flower crowns and embroidered dresses? They predate the twentieth-century conflicts by hundreds of years. The shamrock

Again what does all this have to do with flower crowns and embroidered dresses? They predate the twentieth-century conflicts by hundreds of years. The shamrock is a national symbol of Ireland despite Irish nationalist atrocities throughout the years. The traditional ceremonial dress in Japan is used despite the crimes committed by the Japanese military. There is literally no society or culture in history that is blameless; why spout off about Ukrainian embroidery and floral arrangement? Could it simply be another continuation of the centuries-long campaign to suppress Ukrainian culture?

trhway 10y ago
>Again what does all this have to do with flower crowns and embroidered dresses? ask the nationalists. It was the article and the original comment author who originally brought it up as a symbol of Ukranian nationalism. I just mentioned most notable examples of that nationalism. >the centuries-long campaign to suppress Ukrainian culture you obviously just don't know what you're talking about.
- empthought 10y ago
  > you obviously just don't know what you're talking about. I know you just called out all the stuff from my (DP/work camp prisoner) grandmother's house as some kind of crypto-genocidal symbols of pro-Fascist hate, which is one of more asinine things I've read this week. And this week involved a lot of news about Donald Trump.
  - trhway 10y ago
    >you just called out all the stuff from my (DP/work camp prisoner) grandmother's house as some kind of crypto-genocidal symbols of pro-Fascist hate your indignation is completely misdirected. It is not me who appropriated all that stuff as symbols of Ukranian nationalistic movement. It is not me who made the Ukranian nationalistic movement a de-facto fascist movement, it is not me who committed all those atrocities and crimes in the name of it, who have been celebrating the "heroes" perpetrators of those atrocities and who have been faithfully trying to follow in the steps of those "heroes" - with the attempt at "pacification" of Russians in Donbass being a such example as recent as just 2 years ago. Don't blame the messenger. You don't agree with that stuff being used as symbols - argue with the article or the original comment author who stated so, argue with "vyshivatniki" in Ukraine. You don't agree with the atrocities and the crimes, past and the current, or with celebrating of those "heroes" - argue with Wikipedia, historians, and leaders of the Ukraine nationalism who rules Ukraine today. Your indignation directed at me is like indignation of a follower of the Hinduism or Buddhism (where "swastika" has been a sacred and auspicious symbol at least for couple thousand years before Hitler) at a person who would say that "swastika" is a symbol of Nazi movement and of related atrocities and hate.
    - empthought 10y ago
      Coming from an obvious sympathizer to Putin's Russia, calling the current Ukrainian leadership fascists is like the pot calling the daffodil black. Svoboda is the closest thing to a far-right party in Ukraine and it has but a handful of seats.
      - trhway 10y ago
        >an obvious sympathizer to Putin's Russia why did you say so? I hate Putin's regime, and have always been very critical about Russian state and its people.
        empthought 10y ago
        You're bringing up Ukrainian atrocities against Poles 70 years ago in a thread about crowns made of flowers and trying to somehow draw a line to current Ukrainian politics and conflict. It's basically straight from the Russian state media propaganda handbook.
        trhway 10y ago
        again, it wasn't me who brought the current Ukrainian politics and conflict in the thread about crowns made of flowers - read the article and the original top comment in the thread. It is not my fault that the current Ukrainian politics and conflict is due to the current regime celebrating the perpetrators of those atrocities and trying to follow the same policies. And Wikipedia isn't Russian propaganda, well at least i hope so.
        empthought 10y ago
        > the current Ukrainian politics and conflict is due to the current regime celebrating the perpetrators of those atrocities and trying to follow the same policies. This is propaganda pure and simple. There is no one in any position of power in Ukraine celebrating any of these things you have brought up. You are either a troll from Olgino or have been taken in by their garbage.

trhway 10y ago

>Again what does all this have to do with flower crowns and embroidered dresses? ask the nationalists. It was the article and the original comment author who originally brought it up as a symbol of Ukranian nationalism. I just mentioned most notable examples of that nationalism. >the centuries-long campaign to suppress Ukrainian culture you obviously just don't know what you're talking about.

empthought 10y ago
> you obviously just don't know what you're talking about. I know you just called out all the stuff from my (DP/work camp prisoner) grandmother's house as some kind of crypto-genocidal symbols of pro-Fascist hate, which is one of more asinine things I've read this week. And this week involved a lot of news about Donald Trump.
- trhway 10y ago
  >you just called out all the stuff from my (DP/work camp prisoner) grandmother's house as some kind of crypto-genocidal symbols of pro-Fascist hate your indignation is completely misdirected. It is not me who appropriated all that stuff as symbols of Ukranian nationalistic movement. It is not me who made the Ukranian nationalistic movement a de-facto fascist movement, it is not me who committed all those atrocities and crimes in the name of it, who have been celebrating the "heroes" perpetrators of those atrocities and who have been faithfully trying to follow in the steps of those "heroes" - with the attempt at "pacification" of Russians in Donbass being a such example as recent as just 2 years ago. Don't blame the messenger. You don't agree with that stuff being used as symbols - argue with the article or the original comment author who stated so, argue with "vyshivatniki" in Ukraine. You don't agree with the atrocities and the crimes, past and the current, or with celebrating of those "heroes" - argue with Wikipedia, historians, and leaders of the Ukraine nationalism who rules Ukraine today. Your indignation directed at me is like indignation of a follower of the Hinduism or Buddhism (where "swastika" has been a sacred and auspicious symbol at least for couple thousand years before Hitler) at a person who would say that "swastika" is a symbol of Nazi movement and of related atrocities and hate.
  - empthought 10y ago
    Coming from an obvious sympathizer to Putin's Russia, calling the current Ukrainian leadership fascists is like the pot calling the daffodil black. Svoboda is the closest thing to a far-right party in Ukraine and it has but a handful of seats.
    - trhway 10y ago
      >an obvious sympathizer to Putin's Russia why did you say so? I hate Putin's regime, and have always been very critical about Russian state and its people.
      - empthought 10y ago
        You're bringing up Ukrainian atrocities against Poles 70 years ago in a thread about crowns made of flowers and trying to somehow draw a line to current Ukrainian politics and conflict. It's basically straight from the Russian state media propaganda handbook.
        trhway 10y ago
        again, it wasn't me who brought the current Ukrainian politics and conflict in the thread about crowns made of flowers - read the article and the original top comment in the thread. It is not my fault that the current Ukrainian politics and conflict is due to the current regime celebrating the perpetrators of those atrocities and trying to follow the same policies. And Wikipedia isn't Russian propaganda, well at least i hope so.
        empthought 10y ago
        > the current Ukrainian politics and conflict is due to the current regime celebrating the perpetrators of those atrocities and trying to follow the same policies. This is propaganda pure and simple. There is no one in any position of power in Ukraine celebrating any of these things you have brought up. You are either a troll from Olgino or have been taken in by their garbage.