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This is utter bullshit. Let the fucking kid enjoy some self-esteem. Focusing on improving his "motivation" instead of his well-being is manipulative and can bac

by soufron 10y ago

This is utter bullshit. Let the fucking kid enjoy some self-esteem. Focusing on improving his "motivation" instead of his well-being is manipulative and can backfire in so many ways. Just let him be. Fuck the productivity way of life.

eloff 10y ago
Your reaction is like an Ostrich burying its head in the sand. A profane Ostrich. It's unwise to ignore the unintended consequences of your actions, and that's still true even if you wish said consequences didn't exist.
DanBC 10y ago
You can let the kid enjoy self-esteem, by praising their hard work.
ken47 10y ago
> This is utter bullshit. Let the fucking kid enjoy some self-esteem. You don't think a person can have self-esteem based on their work ethic?
- metaphorm 10y ago
  false dichotomy. a person can have self-esteem based on EITHER or BOTH of those characteristics.
  - ken47 10y ago
    It's not. His comment continues: "Focusing on improving his "motivation" instead of his well-being..." The use of "instead of," combined with the linked paper's recommendation of praising for effort rather than ability, implies that this dichotomy is anything but false in his mind.
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speeder 10y ago
When I was constantly praised for being intelligent, but criticized for my real failings, I didn't got high self-steem. I got instead self hate, and extreme amounts of Hubris, of the sort that I believed myself so intelligent that I could tell a very high ranked government official that she was dumb, without consequences. (I was 15 during that incident, caused some crazy mess)
- metaphorm 10y ago
  well, was the government official really dumb though? the lesson is "don't piss of people with power over you that are willing to use it". that's a tough lesson to learn and is practical advice for survival in this world. there is value in truth though. learning better strategies for telling the truth is very valuable.
throwanem 10y ago
> Let the fucking kid enjoy some self-esteem. I'd rather try to give him tools he can use to build self-respect, so his early life isn't as fucked up as mine was.

by soufron 10y ago

eloff 10y ago

Your reaction is like an Ostrich burying its head in the sand. A profane Ostrich. It's unwise to ignore the unintended consequences of your actions, and that's still true even if you wish said consequences didn't exist.

DanBC 10y ago

You can let the kid enjoy self-esteem, by praising their hard work.

ken47 10y ago

> This is utter bullshit. Let the fucking kid enjoy some self-esteem. You don't think a person can have self-esteem based on their work ethic?

metaphorm 10y ago
false dichotomy. a person can have self-esteem based on EITHER or BOTH of those characteristics.
- ken47 10y ago
  It's not. His comment continues: "Focusing on improving his "motivation" instead of his well-being..." The use of "instead of," combined with the linked paper's recommendation of praising for effort rather than ability, implies that this dichotomy is anything but false in his mind.

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speeder 10y ago

When I was constantly praised for being intelligent, but criticized for my real failings, I didn't got high self-steem. I got instead self hate, and extreme amounts of Hubris, of the sort that I believed myself so intelligent that I could tell a very high ranked government official that she was dumb, without consequences. (I was 15 during that incident, caused some crazy mess)

metaphorm 10y ago
well, was the government official really dumb though? the lesson is "don't piss of people with power over you that are willing to use it". that's a tough lesson to learn and is practical advice for survival in this world. there is value in truth though. learning better strategies for telling the truth is very valuable.

throwanem 10y ago

> Let the fucking kid enjoy some self-esteem. I'd rather try to give him tools he can use to build self-respect, so his early life isn't as fucked up as mine was.