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I'm in an asian country where racist is (mostly) not a thing, so why people cares about those rates is a mystery for me. In my thought, if there are 2 candidate

by favadi 10y ago

I'm in an asian country where racist is (mostly) not a thing, so why people cares about those rates is a mystery for me. In my thought, if there are 2 candidates for a leader role, and they decided "oh, we need more women in leader rank, we should chose her", it is just wrong. Race/gender shouldn't be even considered as a factor in those situations.

GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
Which asian country is that, because I'm not immediately thinking of too many that fit that bill.
- labster 10y ago
  I'm not thinking of any countries on Earth that fit the bill. Sealand maybe?
- j_s 10y ago
  I've heard citizens from Singapore make this claim.
  - mildbow 10y ago
    Singapore, purportedly, is racist against Indians.
dsp1234 10y ago
so why people cares about those rates is a mystery for me. If someone rolls a die 10.000 times, and 75% of the time it lands on a six, then instead of "not caring", many people will care. Particularly those that are not betting on the six. Though the people betting on the six have a vested stake in "not caring". In other words, it's a matter of bias. If talent is not correlated to race/sex, then we can expect that the number of people of various races/sexes that are represented in the industry should roughly match the general makeup of the population (ie it's a mostly random distribution). Instead we see that this is not case. So either, talent is correlated to race/sex or there is a bias somewhere in the process.
- jdmichal 10y ago
  > If talent is not correlated to race/sex, then we can expect that the number of people of various races/sexes that are represented in the industry should roughly match the general makeup of the population (ie it's a mostly random distribution). Employer hiring should match the candidate population, not the general population. This is a subtle but very important difference when we also see, for instance, gender bias in graduation rates of STEM fields. (I'm not claiming that this accounts for all bias.) Really, when you say "there is a bias somewhere in the process", it must be remembered that the "process" being spoken of is the entire process that leads to a person being a valid candidate, from schooling to prior experience. (It's hard to get hired as a senior if you can't get hired as a junior first.)

by favadi 10y ago

GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago

Which asian country is that, because I'm not immediately thinking of too many that fit that bill.

labster 10y ago
I'm not thinking of any countries on Earth that fit the bill. Sealand maybe?
j_s 10y ago
I've heard citizens from Singapore make this claim.
- mildbow 10y ago
  Singapore, purportedly, is racist against Indians.

dsp1234 10y ago

so why people cares about those rates is a mystery for me. If someone rolls a die 10.000 times, and 75% of the time it lands on a six, then instead of "not caring", many people will care. Particularly those that are not betting on the six. Though the people betting on the six have a vested stake in "not caring". In other words, it's a matter of bias. If talent is not correlated to race/sex, then we can expect that the number of people of various races/sexes that are represented in the industry should roughly match the general makeup of the population (ie it's a mostly random distribution). Instead we see that this is not case. So either, talent is correlated to race/sex or there is a bias somewhere in the process.

jdmichal 10y ago
> If talent is not correlated to race/sex, then we can expect that the number of people of various races/sexes that are represented in the industry should roughly match the general makeup of the population (ie it's a mostly random distribution). Employer hiring should match the candidate population, not the general population. This is a subtle but very important difference when we also see, for instance, gender bias in graduation rates of STEM fields. (I'm not claiming that this accounts for all bias.) Really, when you say "there is a bias somewhere in the process", it must be remembered that the "process" being spoken of is the entire process that leads to a person being a valid candidate, from schooling to prior experience. (It's hard to get hired as a senior if you can't get hired as a junior first.)