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What you pay them is irrelevant if they are only using you for the 10% boost from "my last salary was...". It's a personality trait, not a salary issue.

eropple 10y ago
You are trying to turn economic transactions into "personality traits" and it's kind of really disgusting. What you pay them isn't irrelevant if you are dedicated to paying them what they can get elsewhere. Because it's an economic transaction. Be more desirable, pay market rates, and people won't bounce. But nobody wants to invest in their people and nobody wants to pay market rates once you've signed on the dotted line. No, "yearly reviews" to get a five or even ten percent raises are not sufficient. I create a lot of value--in much less than six months, at my last full-time job by the time six months had elapsed I'd built out a deployment system that reduced developer time for every deployment by literally seventy percent and gotten an "attaboy, maybe at the next perf review", which never happened because I got a new gig with a sixteen percent comp increase, before options in a publicly traded company no less, that would never have been matched by that perf review. This is why I consult now, as it happens: because I can parachute in and create a lot of value, because I don't need a bunch of ramp-up time, and I can get paid literally double per-hour to do it. (And it's why I can work three-ish days a week and make more money than my last full-time job.)
- lloyd-christmas 10y ago
  > No, "yearly reviews" to get a five or even ten percent raises are not sufficient. Sounds like you've had a shitty work career. None of what I'm talking about is anything like that. > You are trying to turn economic transactions into "personality traits" and it's kind of really disgusting.... I create a lot of value--in much less than six months... You talk about it as an economic transaction, but you fail to actually acknowledge the economic transaction that's actually taking place. You don't just magically spring into existence into my company when you drop your resume at the door. The cost to hire you is significant. You simply haven't recouped that cost of hiring you within 6 months, regardless of whether or not you're God's gift to programming. > I don't need a bunch of ramp-up time, and I can get paid literally double per-hour to do it. Sounds like you're living the dream, congrats. Most people aren't as talented as you are. Using your experiences to make hiring decisions for the other 99% of society would seem silly, don't you think?

eropple 10y ago

You are trying to turn economic transactions into "personality traits" and it's kind of really disgusting. What you pay them isn't irrelevant if you are dedicated to paying them what they can get elsewhere. Because it's an economic transaction. Be more desirable, pay market rates, and people won't bounce. But nobody wants to invest in their people and nobody wants to pay market rates once you've signed on the dotted line. No, "yearly reviews" to get a five or even ten percent raises are not sufficient. I create a lot of value--in much less than six months, at my last full-time job by the time six months had elapsed I'd built out a deployment system that reduced developer time for every deployment by literally seventy percent and gotten an "attaboy, maybe at the next perf review", which never happened because I got a new gig with a sixteen percent comp increase, before options in a publicly traded company no less, that would never have been matched by that perf review. This is why I consult now, as it happens: because I can parachute in and create a lot of value, because I don't need a bunch of ramp-up time, and I can get paid literally double per-hour to do it. (And it's why I can work three-ish days a week and make more money than my last full-time job.)

lloyd-christmas 10y ago
> No, "yearly reviews" to get a five or even ten percent raises are not sufficient. Sounds like you've had a shitty work career. None of what I'm talking about is anything like that. > You are trying to turn economic transactions into "personality traits" and it's kind of really disgusting.... I create a lot of value--in much less than six months... You talk about it as an economic transaction, but you fail to actually acknowledge the economic transaction that's actually taking place. You don't just magically spring into existence into my company when you drop your resume at the door. The cost to hire you is significant. You simply haven't recouped that cost of hiring you within 6 months, regardless of whether or not you're God's gift to programming. > I don't need a bunch of ramp-up time, and I can get paid literally double per-hour to do it. Sounds like you're living the dream, congrats. Most people aren't as talented as you are. Using your experiences to make hiring decisions for the other 99% of society would seem silly, don't you think?