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Thanks for pointing that out. Maybe I read it wrong, or maybe the article was changed in the meantime. Whatever the case, I still want to point out that a convi

by Udo 10y ago

Thanks for pointing that out. Maybe I read it wrong, or maybe the article was changed in the meantime. Whatever the case, I still want to point out that a conviction murder carries with it a life sentence and possible death penalty. > Also, this is said by someone who considers abortion to be murder, so isn't surprising. The article actually does a pretty good job of convincing me that she doesn't consider it to be murder as such, she just wants people who do it to get the same punishment, because she feels they are throwing something away that is unattainable to her.

gilleain 10y ago
> she doesn't consider it to be murder as such, she just wants people who do it to get the same punishment Right, and the point is that the writer would likely never have found this out in the course of normal argument because the discussion would have got caught up in the rights and wrongs of jailing people for making choices about procreation. There's the expression "love the sinner, hate the sin" that surely applies to more than just religious sins. It is possible to disagree with someone but not hate them for it, even if their ideas might be hateful to you.
- Udo 10y ago
  > There's the expression "love the sinner, hate the sin" that surely applies to more than just religious sins. It is possible to disagree with someone but not hate them for it, even if their ideas might be hateful to you. I'm not sure how this is a response to my comment. If you read my other comment, that's pretty much my point. I'm sorry if that was not clear.
  - gilleain 10y ago
    You're right, my response was a bit confused. I absolutely agree with your original point that we shouldn't lose sight of the goal of challenging horrible opinions just to try and better understand someone. I was really just pointing out that understanding the reasons why can better lead you to what their opinion really is. That's all. The 'love the sinner' stuff was kind of irrelevant.

by Udo 10y ago

gilleain 10y ago

> she doesn't consider it to be murder as such, she just wants people who do it to get the same punishment Right, and the point is that the writer would likely never have found this out in the course of normal argument because the discussion would have got caught up in the rights and wrongs of jailing people for making choices about procreation. There's the expression "love the sinner, hate the sin" that surely applies to more than just religious sins. It is possible to disagree with someone but not hate them for it, even if their ideas might be hateful to you.

Udo 10y ago
> There's the expression "love the sinner, hate the sin" that surely applies to more than just religious sins. It is possible to disagree with someone but not hate them for it, even if their ideas might be hateful to you. I'm not sure how this is a response to my comment. If you read my other comment, that's pretty much my point. I'm sorry if that was not clear.
- gilleain 10y ago
  You're right, my response was a bit confused. I absolutely agree with your original point that we shouldn't lose sight of the goal of challenging horrible opinions just to try and better understand someone. I was really just pointing out that understanding the reasons why can better lead you to what their opinion really is. That's all. The 'love the sinner' stuff was kind of irrelevant.