> An easy way to shut up the idiots like these is to point out the extent to which miles traveled are subsidized for car drivers (invariably more than for trans

> An easy way to shut up the idiots like these is to point out the extent to which miles traveled are subsidized for car drivers (invariably more than for transit, due to how horribly inefficient cars are). When they're forced to imagine a society without transport subsidies instead of one with only _their_ favored transport subsidies, they tend to quickly shut up. First, I don't think you're going to change anyone's mind by beginning with, "You're an idiot." Second, you're right, I can't imagine a society without transport subsidies; But, considering the state of my community's infrastructure, it's equally hard to imagine being able to subsidize even more transportation than it already does. Maybe if they were decommissioning roads in sync with new transit roll outs... Main questions I have for discussion (mostly related to rail transit): Will businesses that are not within walking distance of a mass transit endpoint a see a positive benefit? Will individuals that are not within walking distance of a mass transit endpoint see a positive benefit? Will their property values be adversely effected?