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> I don't. Everything has unintended consequences and no plan is perfect. We will always have to manage problems as they arise. But you do, if you (or the GP)

> I don't. Everything has unintended consequences and no plan is perfect. We will always have to manage problems as they arise. But you do, if you (or the GP) want people to support your taxation plan and go along with it. Otherwise, it will get rejected. You need to prove that your plan is effective. > How do you propose to keep people from burning your house down because they are hungry, angry, and see no alternative? That's not really happening even in countries much poorer than the US. Those people are much more likely to steal my stuff than burn it down. I think you're trying to sell a "tiger-repelling rock".

pdkl95 10y ago
> sell I'm offering advice. You're free to ignore it. > That's not really happening even in countries much poorer than the US. Events like Occupy were important warning signs. As the video I linked to discusses, the rise of populism (Trump, etc.) and the rejection of traditional institutions (e.g. brexit) are further examples of people rejecting the status quo. Do you actually have any direct experience in living at or below the poverty line in the US? Recent experience is important, as the situation has been changing. Or are you observations made from a position of privilege? If the latter, you might want better data. The bigger problem, though, is that you seem to be looking for signs of the open revolt I was describing. By the time that happens, we are well past the time these problems might be fixed with social programs. I'm suggesting that our current ship of state is heading towards an economic minefield; "I haven't seen any explosions" is not a particularly useful observation.
- politicsight 10y ago
  > I'm offering advice. You're free to ignore it. You're presenting a political view. That's not just "advice". > Do you actually have any direct experience in living at or below the poverty line in the US? Recent experience is important, as the situation has been changing. Or are you observations made from a position of privilege? If the latter, you might want better data. I grew up in a post-communist Eastern European country, and have a lot of experience with that (my parents were on the poor side). I'm currently a middle-class programmer, so I wouldn't say I'm privileged (although you might disagree). I believe I have plenty of data and experience with poverty. I'm also very skeptical of redistribution, after seeing what communism actually did to my own country.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    There is a concept called velocity of capital. The IMF believes that the current wealth distribution lowers that velocity, and thus weakens the economy [0]. How you distribute that money can be a matter of debate but the fact that it would be beneficial for most people to do so is not. [0]http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/06/economist-explains-11 http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/06/ec...

pdkl95 10y ago

> sell I'm offering advice. You're free to ignore it. > That's not really happening even in countries much poorer than the US. Events like Occupy were important warning signs. As the video I linked to discusses, the rise of populism (Trump, etc.) and the rejection of traditional institutions (e.g. brexit) are further examples of people rejecting the status quo. Do you actually have any direct experience in living at or below the poverty line in the US? Recent experience is important, as the situation has been changing. Or are you observations made from a position of privilege? If the latter, you might want better data. The bigger problem, though, is that you seem to be looking for signs of the open revolt I was describing. By the time that happens, we are well past the time these problems might be fixed with social programs. I'm suggesting that our current ship of state is heading towards an economic minefield; "I haven't seen any explosions" is not a particularly useful observation.

politicsight 10y ago
> I'm offering advice. You're free to ignore it. You're presenting a political view. That's not just "advice". > Do you actually have any direct experience in living at or below the poverty line in the US? Recent experience is important, as the situation has been changing. Or are you observations made from a position of privilege? If the latter, you might want better data. I grew up in a post-communist Eastern European country, and have a lot of experience with that (my parents were on the poor side). I'm currently a middle-class programmer, so I wouldn't say I'm privileged (although you might disagree). I believe I have plenty of data and experience with poverty. I'm also very skeptical of redistribution, after seeing what communism actually did to my own country.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  There is a concept called velocity of capital. The IMF believes that the current wealth distribution lowers that velocity, and thus weakens the economy [0]. How you distribute that money can be a matter of debate but the fact that it would be beneficial for most people to do so is not. [0]http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/06/economist-explains-11 http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/06/ec...