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Taxation is not thievery. You and I are living in a society which have been created by the collective work of our forefathers. You aren't responsible for 100% o
by ThomPete 10y ago
Taxation is not thievery. You and I are living in a society which have been created by the collective work of our forefathers. You aren't responsible for 100% of the value you create since a lot of the value of the work you perform are supported by things others have created for you and which aren't reflected in your salary.
Taxation is just that taxation. If you want to be free of the "thievery" just don't participate in the economy created by the rest of society. Don't use computers which fundamental development have been largely funded by government. Don't use the internet which was largely funded by governments.
You can't have your cake and eat it.
- JanezStupar 10y agoAnd you stop telling people who have funded the governments what to and not to do. Sound fair?
- ThomPete 10y agoI'm not telling anyone what they have to do. I am telling you what they have done and why you can't claim 100% of your salary is based on your own working.
- JanezStupar 10y agoI know for a fact that my forefathers have tried to avoid governments and their meddling fingers as much as possible and have fought really hard in various ways to keep the government of their lives as much as possible. Thus I owe it to them to keep fighting the government creep towards authoritarian totalitarianism. What have your forefathers been doing that you are now arguing that 100% of what I have earned and paid taxes on already, should get taxed again at some later date - as a punishment for me not spending it all?
- ThomPete 10y agoYou are confusing two very different things. I too don't want government to be too big or too all encompassing but that has nothing to do with whether some sort of taxation could be considered ok. One things is certain though. If you had to pay for everything yourself you wouldn't be able to afford it. The price of many of the things we consider obvious today are based on many years of accumulated hard work by others than your forefathers which you benefit from today. So we can discuss whether we pay too much tax, I am fine with that discussion. But positioning it as all taxation being thievery is both incorrect and simplistic.
- JanezStupar 10y agoTaxation at gunpoint is thievery, no amount of rhetoric can change that. And don't get me wrong. I have no problems with participating in a community. I have a problem with government setting up barriers and maintaining a monopoly on community. I have no apriori issue with government offering services, I have an issue with being forced to pay and consume those services, regardless of how (in)efficient they may be. I am also very much aware that I am only at the end of a long line of people striving for a better future. And nearly all my personal efforts are directed towards fulfilling my obligation towards my forefathers as towards my descendants. And resisting crazy talk about totalitarian governments as a savior for all our problems is a part of that. Don't get me wrong - the manifesto above has hardly anything to do with your position, I am merely explaining my own position.
- Kinnard 10y agoAmen!
- ThomPete 10y agoThere is no such thing as taxation at gunpoint. That kind of rhetoric is both juvenile, false and largely ignoring reality. You can choose to pay your taxes or you can choose to move somewhere else where you aren't taxed. You don't have the right to anything anymore than anyone else do. If you don't like the society you live in move somewhere you like or start your own.
- 10y ago
- collyw 10y agoGo live somewhere where very little taxes have been collected. You might find it not so well developed and with a few inconveniences.