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Here my reasons to hate linux: * something (guessing nvidia driver) prevents resume from suspend to ram, the machine just sits with a black screen. I have to h

by heeen2 10y ago

Here my reasons to hate linux: * something (guessing nvidia driver) prevents resume from suspend to ram, the machine just sits with a black screen. I have to hard reset * if you install nvidia from their blob and upgrade your kernel without recompiling the kernel module, it won't let you shut down and one of the cpu cores will lock up * I tried to use the usb3 hub in my dell monitor and the driver complains about too little bandwidth. forums tell me to disable xhci in the kernel config or bios, I just plugged it into a usb2 port * I wish there was an easier way to update the kernel with custom options, like automated re-compiling * I have a usb key with kubuntu that I sometimes boot my macbook air with. Even with not a lot going on, it will get a lot hotter than osx. can the usb3 controller running the boot drive really add that much? * good luck unmounting a nfs mount that is slow due to network/vpn issues. there is a workaround in creating a dummy network that looks like the nfs server is up and which somehow unclogs the filesystem. * why can't gvim maximize properly after how many years? * no netflix or hbo unless you install some deprecated HAL library from untrusted sources * cannot tell apt to only update specific packages from some repo - adding the spotify repo could replace god knows what on your system * I love kde plasma, it is what made me try linux as my default boot option again, but why does it have to consume so much ram and why does it crash so often? Thank god it can just be restarted easily, I hope this will still be possible with wayland which promotes integrated window managers edit: * under X and highdpi, there is now way to resize applications that use a framework that is not high dpi capable. skype, using Qt 4.8 (IIRC) will have tiny text or icons. (I think you can make it draw text larger, but graphic elements and emoji will be tiny) I should also say that I really like linux, especially as a work environment. with QtCreator there is a free IDE with auto complete, syntax highlighting, cmake support, cross compilation, etc. I feel like the *nix/gnu tools are so much more powerful and I would not want to miss them. batch-converting videos, images, splitting, joining, creating pdfs - all for free without having to install SuperImageConverterPro shareware bundled with bonzi buddy or whatever.

errantspark 10y ago
> Even with not a lot going on, it will get a lot hotter than osx. can the usb3 controller running the boot drive really add that much? This is almost certainly because Linux doesn't properly manage your CPU states. Same story with linux on my windows laptop. Apparently you can recompile the kernel with some third party modules that let you manage that stuff but after a few hours of trying I couldn't get it to work. Probably because there isn't any documentation beyond a couple stack overflow questions and a blog post written in 2011. I hate linux too. My biggest gripe is that I use differing amounts of monitors and making the nvidia proprietary drivers function correctly with xmonad and multiple screens is something I've managed to make work maybe twice.
- heeen2 10y ago
  do you have a link for this powerstate discussion?
- dmix 10y ago
  When was the last time you tried to do that multi monitor setup? I heard it got better recently.
papaf 10y ago
Those problems sound terrible. You should ask for your money back.
- nomel 10y ago
  Being free doesn't give it some sort of free pass on quality. It exists to be used. If it's not usable, then that's a problem.
- heeen2 10y ago
  Those are reasons to hate linux, but I still started booting it at home as well. I work under linux and would not want to work on anything but. For home use, it is still a mixed bag, but even after finishing a gaming session I would still boot back into linux after a while - especially now with boot times under 3 seconds (is it systemd or the SSD boot drive?). Customizability and control over my own system still feels better and I accept the rough edges.
dragandj 10y ago
I have exactly the opposite experience. I switched to Linux 13 years ago (Ubuntu + kde) and 5 years ago switched to Arch with no desktop manager, only xmonad. Works for weeks without poweroff, lots of exotic GUI applications opened, suspend it to RAM each day, resources are rarely filled. And, yes, I have 3 GPUs and program them all the time. It just works. Meanwhile, I have one OS X machine which is OK for multimedia and internet, but any programming on it sucks (compared to my Linux setup)...
anonbanker 10y ago
One genuine linux problem (usb3 hub), and a bunch of application issues. When presented with a solution (disable xhci), you decided to ignore it. Good luck with your kubuntu installation. I've heard it went downhill the last few years (post-systemd).
danmaz74 10y ago
> no netflix or hbo unless you install some deprecated HAL library from untrusted sources Netflix works just fine here with Chrome on Ubuntu.
ramblenode 10y ago
It seems like the most consistent quality of Linux detractors is that they hold Linux to a much higher standard than a proprietary OS. When an application doesn't work, install, or even exist on Windows or OS X it's the application developer's fault. But on Linux it's Linux's fault. The driver situation leaves much to be desired, but why does Linux get the blame for NVIDIA or Dell contributing buggy blobs that the community couldn't improve even if it wanted to? (and they do!) > * I wish there was an easier way to update the kernel with custom options, like automated re-compiling Just curious, do you even have the ability to recompile the kernel of your preferred OS? > * cannot tell apt to only update specific packages from some repo - adding the spotify repo could replace god knows what on your system Not trying to belittle a legitimate problem, but again how would you do this with your preferred package manager on your preferred OS?
- dmix 10y ago
  Plus just like OSX is tailored to certain hardware, it's best to treat Linux the same way as there are plenty of hw options that work very well with Linux. Requiring zero config. The subset that doesn't draws so much ire towards Linux, so they really should promote a recommended hw list.
kasabali 10y ago
> * cannot tell apt to only update specific packages from some repo - adding the spotify repo could replace god knows what on your system I'm pretty sure that can be done with APT pinning. Never underestimate APT's capabilities.

by heeen2 10y ago

errantspark 10y ago

> Even with not a lot going on, it will get a lot hotter than osx. can the usb3 controller running the boot drive really add that much? This is almost certainly because Linux doesn't properly manage your CPU states. Same story with linux on my windows laptop. Apparently you can recompile the kernel with some third party modules that let you manage that stuff but after a few hours of trying I couldn't get it to work. Probably because there isn't any documentation beyond a couple stack overflow questions and a blog post written in 2011. I hate linux too. My biggest gripe is that I use differing amounts of monitors and making the nvidia proprietary drivers function correctly with xmonad and multiple screens is something I've managed to make work maybe twice.

heeen2 10y ago
do you have a link for this powerstate discussion?
dmix 10y ago
When was the last time you tried to do that multi monitor setup? I heard it got better recently.

papaf 10y ago

Those problems sound terrible. You should ask for your money back.

nomel 10y ago
Being free doesn't give it some sort of free pass on quality. It exists to be used. If it's not usable, then that's a problem.
heeen2 10y ago
Those are reasons to hate linux, but I still started booting it at home as well. I work under linux and would not want to work on anything but. For home use, it is still a mixed bag, but even after finishing a gaming session I would still boot back into linux after a while - especially now with boot times under 3 seconds (is it systemd or the SSD boot drive?). Customizability and control over my own system still feels better and I accept the rough edges.

dragandj 10y ago

I have exactly the opposite experience. I switched to Linux 13 years ago (Ubuntu + kde) and 5 years ago switched to Arch with no desktop manager, only xmonad. Works for weeks without poweroff, lots of exotic GUI applications opened, suspend it to RAM each day, resources are rarely filled. And, yes, I have 3 GPUs and program them all the time. It just works. Meanwhile, I have one OS X machine which is OK for multimedia and internet, but any programming on it sucks (compared to my Linux setup)...

anonbanker 10y ago

One genuine linux problem (usb3 hub), and a bunch of application issues. When presented with a solution (disable xhci), you decided to ignore it. Good luck with your kubuntu installation. I've heard it went downhill the last few years (post-systemd).

danmaz74 10y ago

> no netflix or hbo unless you install some deprecated HAL library from untrusted sources Netflix works just fine here with Chrome on Ubuntu.

ramblenode 10y ago

It seems like the most consistent quality of Linux detractors is that they hold Linux to a much higher standard than a proprietary OS. When an application doesn't work, install, or even exist on Windows or OS X it's the application developer's fault. But on Linux it's Linux's fault. The driver situation leaves much to be desired, but why does Linux get the blame for NVIDIA or Dell contributing buggy blobs that the community couldn't improve even if it wanted to? (and they do!) > * I wish there was an easier way to update the kernel with custom options, like automated re-compiling Just curious, do you even have the ability to recompile the kernel of your preferred OS? > * cannot tell apt to only update specific packages from some repo - adding the spotify repo could replace god knows what on your system Not trying to belittle a legitimate problem, but again how would you do this with your preferred package manager on your preferred OS?

dmix 10y ago
Plus just like OSX is tailored to certain hardware, it's best to treat Linux the same way as there are plenty of hw options that work very well with Linux. Requiring zero config. The subset that doesn't draws so much ire towards Linux, so they really should promote a recommended hw list.

kasabali 10y ago

> * cannot tell apt to only update specific packages from some repo - adding the spotify repo could replace god knows what on your system I'm pretty sure that can be done with APT pinning. Never underestimate APT's capabilities.