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She was traveling Turkey > UK, that is usual path someone from Syria would take. That on its own is enough to raise questions. For some examples read related co

by jkot 10y ago

She was traveling Turkey > UK, that is usual path someone from Syria would take. That on its own is enough to raise questions. For some examples read related content under article. She was 'held' (original title was 'detained') for 15 minutes. That is not even rounding error at UK international airports. And half of the article is an ad for the book.

tgb 10y ago
Your quote says it was the opposite flight when she was detained.
ksk 10y ago
> that is usual path someone from Syria would take. That on its own is enough to raise questions. What nonsense. If dodgy individuals constantly feature on this route why does the flight even exist then? Just for "safe" non-brown non-black people? >She was 'held' (original title was 'detained') for 15 minutes. "Police officers questioned Shaheen for 15 minutes under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act, " Yeah, Under the terrorism act... For reading a book about art.
- PJDK 10y ago
  No she was questioned for being reported as suspicious by a flight attendant. Given it was only for 15 minutes I imagine pretty quickly it became "oh, it's a book about art, bloody flight attendants are idiots. Ok, well we need to check your bag for any other books, sorry about this". Except more formal than that as they have a nice sheet full of questions they have to ask for this sort of thing (source, I had a knife in my bag at Gatwick once and went through something I imagine was quite similar - except much more my fault obviously).
  - ksk 10y ago
    If the trigger to being labeled as 'suspicious' is you carrying a weapon on a plane, then people are less likely to find it unreasonable. If the trigger is the simple act of reading a book, then, no it is not reasonable and should never be. At the _very_ least the airline should issue a full apology and reconsider their shoddy pseudo-security training.
  - throwaway-hn123 10y ago
    Sure, a knife is very similar to a book about art. Entirely reasonable to be treated in the same way
    - PJDK 10y ago
      I wasn't particularly clear - I intended to say that is why I have some knowledge of what it is like to be interviewed by the police at a British airport. In my case I was dumb, in this case the flight attendant was dumb. In both cases we were on our way within 15 minutes (and with me a stern warning to not do that again).
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franciscop 10y ago
So you cannot travel from Turkey to UK without raising terrorism concerns? I am not sure we live in the same reality anymore. The problem is not how long she was held, but the reasons for her being held which just sound an misinformed racism.
- WillPostForFood 10y ago
  No, but how about this: if travel between Syria and the UK you may raise terrorism concerns. So if you are travelling from (or to) Turkey, while carrying things may indicate you had been in (or going to) Syria, then why not ask?
  - radiorental 10y ago
    Because that's just daft. The vast majority of stuff I read is about places/things that I want to learn more about. Or, let me put another angle on it... If I wanted to sneak into a country from another country I shouldn't be sneaking in from. How would I go about not advertising that fact? The assumption that reading a book about Syria means you want to bomb London is so ludicrous I can't believe it's even up for debate.
    - WillPostForFood 10y ago
      The people trying to get to Syria to join ISIS aren't spymasters, they are often kids, often mentally unstable, often uneducated. So yes, they might sit on a plane reading a guide to bomb making or how about the hottest resorts Aleppo. > The assumption that reading a book about Syria means you want to bomb London is so ludicrous I can't believe it's even up for debate. Of course, that's why no one made that claim. That kind of strawman argument isn't helpful if you want to actually discuss this. The New York Times had a great article on ISIS yesterday. There is a pathway terrorists are taking from Europe, through Turkey, to Syria, for training, and then back through Turkey, to their home country. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/world/middleeast/isis-german-recruit-interview.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/world/middleeast/isis-germ...
radiorental 10y ago
I'm more concerned about people with your world view and the effect you can have on my freedoms than any perceived threat you picked up watching Fox/Sky News.
- jkot 10y ago
  Maybe you should put all persons with wrong world view into some sort of camp, so they would not threaten your freedoms.
  - radiorental 10y ago
    I was just worried about people demonstrating a degree of xenophobia and how that's only going to compound the various challenges we face today. However, now I'm actually concerned about you. What are you doing on HN? Your counterpoint follows no logic I can ascertain.
    - jkot 10y ago
      Who is talking about xenophobia? She basically hijacked legitimate issue (people held for several hours at airport) to propagate a book and herself. And when I present valid arguments, you just start personal attack. No I do not watch Fox/Sky, it does not even broadcast in here. And maybe I should give you ring next time I travel to US, because I think your immigration service is profiling non-americans for extra questioning.

by jkot 10y ago

tgb 10y ago

Your quote says it was the opposite flight when she was detained.

ksk 10y ago

> that is usual path someone from Syria would take. That on its own is enough to raise questions. What nonsense. If dodgy individuals constantly feature on this route why does the flight even exist then? Just for "safe" non-brown non-black people? >She was 'held' (original title was 'detained') for 15 minutes. "Police officers questioned Shaheen for 15 minutes under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act, " Yeah, Under the terrorism act... For reading a book about art.

PJDK 10y ago
No she was questioned for being reported as suspicious by a flight attendant. Given it was only for 15 minutes I imagine pretty quickly it became "oh, it's a book about art, bloody flight attendants are idiots. Ok, well we need to check your bag for any other books, sorry about this". Except more formal than that as they have a nice sheet full of questions they have to ask for this sort of thing (source, I had a knife in my bag at Gatwick once and went through something I imagine was quite similar - except much more my fault obviously).
- ksk 10y ago
  If the trigger to being labeled as 'suspicious' is you carrying a weapon on a plane, then people are less likely to find it unreasonable. If the trigger is the simple act of reading a book, then, no it is not reasonable and should never be. At the _very_ least the airline should issue a full apology and reconsider their shoddy pseudo-security training.
- throwaway-hn123 10y ago
  Sure, a knife is very similar to a book about art. Entirely reasonable to be treated in the same way
  - PJDK 10y ago
    I wasn't particularly clear - I intended to say that is why I have some knowledge of what it is like to be interviewed by the police at a British airport. In my case I was dumb, in this case the flight attendant was dumb. In both cases we were on our way within 15 minutes (and with me a stern warning to not do that again).
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franciscop 10y ago

So you cannot travel from Turkey to UK without raising terrorism concerns? I am not sure we live in the same reality anymore. The problem is not how long she was held, but the reasons for her being held which just sound an misinformed racism.

WillPostForFood 10y ago
No, but how about this: if travel between Syria and the UK you may raise terrorism concerns. So if you are travelling from (or to) Turkey, while carrying things may indicate you had been in (or going to) Syria, then why not ask?
- radiorental 10y ago
  Because that's just daft. The vast majority of stuff I read is about places/things that I want to learn more about. Or, let me put another angle on it... If I wanted to sneak into a country from another country I shouldn't be sneaking in from. How would I go about not advertising that fact? The assumption that reading a book about Syria means you want to bomb London is so ludicrous I can't believe it's even up for debate.
  - WillPostForFood 10y ago
    The people trying to get to Syria to join ISIS aren't spymasters, they are often kids, often mentally unstable, often uneducated. So yes, they might sit on a plane reading a guide to bomb making or how about the hottest resorts Aleppo. > The assumption that reading a book about Syria means you want to bomb London is so ludicrous I can't believe it's even up for debate. Of course, that's why no one made that claim. That kind of strawman argument isn't helpful if you want to actually discuss this. The New York Times had a great article on ISIS yesterday. There is a pathway terrorists are taking from Europe, through Turkey, to Syria, for training, and then back through Turkey, to their home country. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/world/middleeast/isis-german-recruit-interview.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/world/middleeast/isis-germ...

radiorental 10y ago

I'm more concerned about people with your world view and the effect you can have on my freedoms than any perceived threat you picked up watching Fox/Sky News.

jkot 10y ago
Maybe you should put all persons with wrong world view into some sort of camp, so they would not threaten your freedoms.
- radiorental 10y ago
  I was just worried about people demonstrating a degree of xenophobia and how that's only going to compound the various challenges we face today. However, now I'm actually concerned about you. What are you doing on HN? Your counterpoint follows no logic I can ascertain.
  - jkot 10y ago
    Who is talking about xenophobia? She basically hijacked legitimate issue (people held for several hours at airport) to propagate a book and herself. And when I present valid arguments, you just start personal attack. No I do not watch Fox/Sky, it does not even broadcast in here. And maybe I should give you ring next time I travel to US, because I think your immigration service is profiling non-americans for extra questioning.