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> Now, sure, you might be unwilling to surrender, and willing to risk a global nuclear war The thing is that there is no reason to believe that a nuclear excha
by sevenless 10y ago
> Now, sure, you might be unwilling to surrender, and willing to risk a global nuclear war
The thing is that there is no reason to believe that a nuclear exchange is necessarily the same as national suicide or will escalate to a global nuclear conflagration. The political scientist Ken Waltz made this point quite forcefully (https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/waltz1.htm https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/waltz1.htm): even if one or two nuclear bombs are exchanged, there is still every incentive for the parties to calm down. What nuclear weapons do is vastly increase the risk and cost of starting a war. This is good, as wars start when politicians believe the cost is worth the benefits.
Waltz says:
"Nuclear weapons in the hands of six or seven states have lessened wars and limited conflicts. The further spread of nuclear weapons can be expected to widen those effects. Should the United States then promote the spread of nuclear weapons for the sake of peace, even though we need not for the sake of stability? To do so would replace one extreme policy with another. Present policy works hard to prevent additional states from acquiring nuclear weapons. My examination of the effects of nuclear weapons leads to the conclusion that our policy is wrong without supporting the proposition that true proliferation—the rapid spread of nuclear weaponry—is desirable. Rapid change may be destabilizing. The slow spread of nuclear weapons gives states time to learn to live with them, to appreciate their virtues, and to understand the limits they place on behaviour."
> But what about, say, a covert invasion of a remote ally under the pretext of peacekeeping? What about military support for a coup in a nearby ally?
The solution, as per Ken Waltz, is to promote the proliferation of nuclear weapons. Your remote ally should also have them!
> What about a gradual strangling of your trade and resource routes?
This would be generally considered an act of war (what the US did to Japan pre-WW2, actually; and Nixon considered an oil embargo from the Saudis equivalent to an act of war). The critical thing is to make it clear where you are drawing the lines.
> Are you EVER going to say "ok, THIS is the last straw, we're starting a nuclear war NOW because you blocked all roads to Berlin"?
The United States should not start any kind of war over what happens in Berlin. But German people themselves should certainly have nuclear deterrence.
> It's like wearing a suicide vest for personal defence.
It is a lot more like carrying a gun for personal defence. In human societies we have the rule of law to defend us, but in international relations it's still 'might makes right', and being willing to kill is a key part of that. Now, if you are a mugger, would you be more willing to attack someone who is willing to use a gun and has no other alternative, or to attack someone who is very reluctant to use a gun and will give up their wallet if pressed? Exactly.
- throwaway13337 10y agoAll of this relies on rational actors. There is major advantage to being or even feigning irrationality when the stakes are this high.
- dragonwriter 10y ago> There is major advantage to being or even feigning irrationality when the stakes are this high. There is a major advantage at times to feigning rationality with a different utility function when the stakes are high to shape perceptions of your likely responses. Irrationality is less useful, because you always want to project a clear set of preferences from which likely actions can be predicted which will strongly create an incentive for other actors to act in your interests.
- wtbob 10y ago> The political scientist Ken Waltz made this point quite forcefully (https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/waltz1.htm https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/waltz1.htm): even if one or two nuclear bombs are exchanged, there is still every incentive for the parties to calm down. This right here is very wise. Nuclear weapons really aren't inordinately scary. I wouldn't want to be hit by one, but I also wouldn't want to be hit by a blockbuster, a mortar, a bullet or a fist. IMHO the real reason nukes have had so many decades of bad press is KGB agitprop from the Cold War.