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This is very cool. I believe scientific papers, especially in the AI space, should habitually share all data that was used so others can repeat and build on th

This is very cool. I believe scientific papers, especially in the AI space, should habitually share all data that was used so others can repeat and build on the results. That said, a few hours of highway driving is of course woefully inadequate for learning anything but steering in normal conditions on that particular highway, if even that. So this is not the "build your Tesla Autopilot" kit, even though the OP decided to use the word “autopilot” in the title.

EvgeniyZh 10y ago
> This is very cool. I believe scientific papers, especially in the AI space, should habitually share all data that was used so others can repeat and build on the results. I believe the problem here is that most AI researches are commercial and not scientific, so no data. > even though the OP decided to use the word “autopilot” in the title. Yeah it might be a bit misleading. Honestly, I had some problems with formulating title in English
- metafunctor 10y ago
  > I believe the problem here is that most AI researches are commercial and not scientific, so no data. One would hope that OpenAI [1] would come through with some significant data sets for various areas in the future. There are some significant commercial names backing up the initiative (like Musk), so hopefully they will actually be relatively open and not protecting corporate interest until end of time. [1] https://openai.com/ https://openai.com/
dharma1 10y ago
Most papers use public data sets. I agree there should be more public data sets, for nearly everything. Having said that - what's the cost of doing something like this yourself? 7 hours of driving video, plus the positional/steering/etc data? Should be easy for almost anyone with enough inclination to gather hundreds of hours of data like this, if you really wanted to.
- jacquesm 10y ago
  I suspect that a certain company whose name starts with a 'G' has been doing just that while at the same time they were filling out their streetview database.
  - jk563 10y ago
    And if not, upon seeing this they will be filled with regret.
ocdtrekkie 10y ago
The big question for me is... does comma.ai intend to continue to build a public dataset? Because for companies like Google, their primary "value" is their data, that's what they won't share with everyone else, it's what gives them their edge. If a company was truly willing to share their large datasets down the road, that'd be a Big Deal.
- EvgeniyZh 10y ago
  When you think about it, at least in Russia many people have video cameras in their cars, and you probably can buy their data for relatively small money, acquiring many hours of driving video. I'm surprised no company have done it yet.
  - trhway 10y ago
    probably you just wouldn't want to train your AI on Russian driving. I mean it is like R rated movies - you don't want to expose unprepared mind to it until it reaches stage of maturity that would allow to handle it :)
    - Animats 10y ago
      Using videos from vehicles in accidents could be useful. Take the last seconds before the accident, extract a top-view model, and try to train for ways to detect imminent trouble and avoid it.
  - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
    In fact, this is effectively comma.ai's strategy! They released an app called chffr which is a dashcam which records all your driving and sends it to them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD-8CteXJl4&list=PLlDK3GJKKjqr5kHsup39uklcFxPg67uTY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD-8CteXJl4&list=PLlDK3GJKKj... As a privacy-minded person, I'll pass on participating in that, but it's an interesting approach to take, since they're a small company and can't afford to do Google-scale things like deploying company cars nationwide.
- dharma1 10y ago

EvgeniyZh 10y ago

> This is very cool. I believe scientific papers, especially in the AI space, should habitually share all data that was used so others can repeat and build on the results. I believe the problem here is that most AI researches are commercial and not scientific, so no data. > even though the OP decided to use the word “autopilot” in the title. Yeah it might be a bit misleading. Honestly, I had some problems with formulating title in English

metafunctor 10y ago
> I believe the problem here is that most AI researches are commercial and not scientific, so no data. One would hope that OpenAI [1] would come through with some significant data sets for various areas in the future. There are some significant commercial names backing up the initiative (like Musk), so hopefully they will actually be relatively open and not protecting corporate interest until end of time. [1] https://openai.com/ https://openai.com/

dharma1 10y ago

Most papers use public data sets. I agree there should be more public data sets, for nearly everything. Having said that - what's the cost of doing something like this yourself? 7 hours of driving video, plus the positional/steering/etc data? Should be easy for almost anyone with enough inclination to gather hundreds of hours of data like this, if you really wanted to.

jacquesm 10y ago
I suspect that a certain company whose name starts with a 'G' has been doing just that while at the same time they were filling out their streetview database.
- jk563 10y ago
  And if not, upon seeing this they will be filled with regret.

ocdtrekkie 10y ago

The big question for me is... does comma.ai intend to continue to build a public dataset? Because for companies like Google, their primary "value" is their data, that's what they won't share with everyone else, it's what gives them their edge. If a company was truly willing to share their large datasets down the road, that'd be a Big Deal.

EvgeniyZh 10y ago
When you think about it, at least in Russia many people have video cameras in their cars, and you probably can buy their data for relatively small money, acquiring many hours of driving video. I'm surprised no company have done it yet.
- trhway 10y ago
  probably you just wouldn't want to train your AI on Russian driving. I mean it is like R rated movies - you don't want to expose unprepared mind to it until it reaches stage of maturity that would allow to handle it :)
  - Animats 10y ago
    Using videos from vehicles in accidents could be useful. Take the last seconds before the accident, extract a top-view model, and try to train for ways to detect imminent trouble and avoid it.
- ocdtrekkie 10y ago
  In fact, this is effectively comma.ai's strategy! They released an app called chffr which is a dashcam which records all your driving and sends it to them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD-8CteXJl4&list=PLlDK3GJKKjqr5kHsup39uklcFxPg67uTY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD-8CteXJl4&list=PLlDK3GJKKj... As a privacy-minded person, I'll pass on participating in that, but it's an interesting approach to take, since they're a small company and can't afford to do Google-scale things like deploying company cars nationwide.
dharma1 10y ago