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Doesn't really matter. If you're doing something that's risking your or someone else's lives, you better be sure about the security aspects of a tool. Neither W

by cm3 10y ago

Doesn't really matter. If you're doing something that's risking your or someone else's lives, you better be sure about the security aspects of a tool. Neither WhatsApp nor Signal are it because you're still trusting a 3rd party way more than is healthy for an operation like a coup. I've read some of the alleged chat logs, and the whole event looks haphazard and little planned. Therefore, it's no wonder that they would coordinate in an unsafe medium (WhatsApp). If what we're being told is the truth, that is.

darawk 10y ago
So, you think they should have rolled their own secure messaging app before starting their coup?
- azernik 10y ago
  If at least some of the intelligence apparatus had been on board, they could probably have used whatever tools are standard for professional spies.
- cookiecaper 10y ago
  They probably should've gone old-school and kept their plots strictly to meatspace. It's a lot simpler that way. Any digital supplementation should've been seriously restrained, relying on pre-determined, inconspicuous code phrases buried within an otherwise innocuous conversation.
  - cm3 10y ago
    Yeah, and assuming the chat logs are real, they now have a hard time to construct plausible deniability after the fact. But, what the people of Turkey seem to ignore is that soldiers are trained to take orders, and there aren't many around who would refuse, even if they're opposed to the action.
- cm3 10y ago
  No, I'm saying that this whole event looks amateurish, without careful planning and coordination beforehand, which would have avoided the need to idle in a chat room, waiting for instructions. The generals involved surely had secure means of communication which isn't logged, or at least knew what not to use, in case they want to deny events. Using a random messaging app, believing that it's encrypted, and that being enough, is very naive.
  - macspoofing 10y ago
    The use of the app wasn't the reason why the coup failed. I'm also skeptical that a conspiracy involving thousands of individuals (all using this one app) somehow didn't leak until after the coup? The answer is probably that the purges didn't really have anything to do with the coup.

by cm3 10y ago

darawk 10y ago

So, you think they should have rolled their own secure messaging app before starting their coup?

azernik 10y ago
If at least some of the intelligence apparatus had been on board, they could probably have used whatever tools are standard for professional spies.
cookiecaper 10y ago
They probably should've gone old-school and kept their plots strictly to meatspace. It's a lot simpler that way. Any digital supplementation should've been seriously restrained, relying on pre-determined, inconspicuous code phrases buried within an otherwise innocuous conversation.
- cm3 10y ago
  Yeah, and assuming the chat logs are real, they now have a hard time to construct plausible deniability after the fact. But, what the people of Turkey seem to ignore is that soldiers are trained to take orders, and there aren't many around who would refuse, even if they're opposed to the action.
cm3 10y ago
No, I'm saying that this whole event looks amateurish, without careful planning and coordination beforehand, which would have avoided the need to idle in a chat room, waiting for instructions. The generals involved surely had secure means of communication which isn't logged, or at least knew what not to use, in case they want to deny events. Using a random messaging app, believing that it's encrypted, and that being enough, is very naive.
- macspoofing 10y ago
  The use of the app wasn't the reason why the coup failed. I'm also skeptical that a conspiracy involving thousands of individuals (all using this one app) somehow didn't leak until after the coup? The answer is probably that the purges didn't really have anything to do with the coup.