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China, 19 times (from the first participation in 1985 until 2014): in every year from 1989 to 2014 except 1991, 1994, 1996, 1998, 2003, 2007; Soviet Union, 14

by lotux 10y ago

China, 19 times (from the first participation in 1985 until 2014): in every year from 1989 to 2014 except 1991, 1994, 1996, 1998, 2003, 2007; Soviet Union, 14 times: in 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1976, 1979, 1984, 1986, 1988, 1991; Hungary, 6 times: in 1961, 1962, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1975; United States, 6 times: in 1977, 1981, 1986, 1994, 2015, 2016; Romania, 5 times: in 1959, 1978, 1985, 1987, 1996; West Germany, 2 times: in 1982 and 1983; Russia, 2 times: in 1999 and 2007; Bulgaria, once: in 2003;[33] Iran, once: in 1998; South Korea, once: in 2012. East Germany, once: in 1968

dzdt 10y ago
For whatever reason, the US public education system has not put much effort into identifying and nurturing gifted and talented students. Probably the current resurgance of the US in this contest is due to the rise of math circles, summer camp programs, and the like outside of the school environment. There was a good article about this last year when the US team won the IMO : http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/03/the-math-revolution/426855/?single_page=true http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/03/the-math...
- dominotw 10y ago
  or as you can tell from the picture, high levels of Chinese and indian immigration in past couple of decades.
  - flukus 10y ago
    > Ankan Bhattacharya, Allen Liu, Ashwin Sah, Michael Kural, Yuan Yao, Junyao Peng, and coach Po-Shen Loh.Credit I looked up the name of the most English sounding one, it's probably of Turkish origin.
- laxatives 10y ago
  Almost all money flows to support the opposite tail, the lowest performing students. For example, No Child Left Behind, which every career educator I've spoken to believes set education in the US back a decade or more.
  - cft 10y ago
    That's fundamentally fear driven: best performing students do not riot or burn cities when out of work as adults.
    - empath75 10y ago
      Or you know, we think it's important that we spend money on disadvantaged kids because it's the decent thing to do.
      - hueving 10y ago
        There is no reason we should spend extra effort on kids that have that much difficulty learning or hate school that much. The kid isn't likely to come out that much better in the long run. There isn't unlimited money for this, by choosing to spend more money on lost causes you are depriving the regular and strong students of money that could be used to enrich their education. If the bulk of effort is focused on the lowest 5% of students to the detriment of the other 95%, then it results in a worse education system overall. People just aren't comfortable with the fact that some students will just not perform well no matter how many resources you throw at it.
        tluyben2 10y ago
        > People just aren't comfortable with the fact that some students will just not perform well no matter how many resources you throw at it. You aren't those 'people' nor are your kids; you would (or will) not be saying that. I'm not one of those people either but I work with these kids and with effort people improve a lot over the educational system. I have seen kids go from failures to successes by putting effort into them and we should strive for that. The elitist view you have is painful to read. I'm not talking about the pure geniuses as they will get the attention they need but neither are you...
        hueving 10y ago
        Again, we don't have unlimited funds. By focusing so much energy on underperforming students you deprive the majority of resources that could be devoted towards making them better. Yes, it sucks if you have a child with bad behavior or poor learning skills, but why is society expected to sacrifice their own children to attempt to fix yours? It's similar to suggesting that all doctors only treat patients in the very worst conditions. A bomb goes off and the hospital spends all of their time on victims with no vital signs and ignores the people bleeding out because they still have vital signs. I'm sorry my post pains you to read, but if you are getting that emotional about it maybe you aren't viewing things objectively?
hyh1048576 10y ago
I was thinking you failed to mention that US won many times, but it seems like you just put US in the same like as Hungary. It's worth mentioning that US got the only whole team full score (252 = 6 * 42) in 1994. And it's worth mentioning that China didn't attend 1998 IMO in Taiwan for political reasons.
- pdabbadabba 10y ago
  It may also be worth mentioning that China has, what, 4x the population of the U..S.?
  - paradite 10y ago
    I hope people also mention that fact when talking about social/political issues in China.
laxatives 10y ago
China's run is pretty incredible. Its also crazy how competitive North Korea is, despite having a nearly non-existent economy or education system and a tiny population. PRK finished in the top 10 every competition in the past decade, except '14, '12, and '10.
- nhaliday 10y ago
  North Korea has also cheated a couple times, so it's a little questionable: https://www.quora.com/How-did-North-Korea-cheat-in-the-IMO-in-1991-and-2010 https://www.quora.com/How-did-North-Korea-cheat-in-the-IMO-i...

by lotux 10y ago

dzdt 10y ago

For whatever reason, the US public education system has not put much effort into identifying and nurturing gifted and talented students. Probably the current resurgance of the US in this contest is due to the rise of math circles, summer camp programs, and the like outside of the school environment. There was a good article about this last year when the US team won the IMO : http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/03/the-math-revolution/426855/?single_page=true http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/03/the-math...

dominotw 10y ago
or as you can tell from the picture, high levels of Chinese and indian immigration in past couple of decades.
- flukus 10y ago
  > Ankan Bhattacharya, Allen Liu, Ashwin Sah, Michael Kural, Yuan Yao, Junyao Peng, and coach Po-Shen Loh.Credit I looked up the name of the most English sounding one, it's probably of Turkish origin.
laxatives 10y ago
Almost all money flows to support the opposite tail, the lowest performing students. For example, No Child Left Behind, which every career educator I've spoken to believes set education in the US back a decade or more.
- cft 10y ago
  That's fundamentally fear driven: best performing students do not riot or burn cities when out of work as adults.
  - empath75 10y ago
    Or you know, we think it's important that we spend money on disadvantaged kids because it's the decent thing to do.
    - hueving 10y ago
      There is no reason we should spend extra effort on kids that have that much difficulty learning or hate school that much. The kid isn't likely to come out that much better in the long run. There isn't unlimited money for this, by choosing to spend more money on lost causes you are depriving the regular and strong students of money that could be used to enrich their education. If the bulk of effort is focused on the lowest 5% of students to the detriment of the other 95%, then it results in a worse education system overall. People just aren't comfortable with the fact that some students will just not perform well no matter how many resources you throw at it.
      - tluyben2 10y ago
        > People just aren't comfortable with the fact that some students will just not perform well no matter how many resources you throw at it. You aren't those 'people' nor are your kids; you would (or will) not be saying that. I'm not one of those people either but I work with these kids and with effort people improve a lot over the educational system. I have seen kids go from failures to successes by putting effort into them and we should strive for that. The elitist view you have is painful to read. I'm not talking about the pure geniuses as they will get the attention they need but neither are you...
        hueving 10y ago
        Again, we don't have unlimited funds. By focusing so much energy on underperforming students you deprive the majority of resources that could be devoted towards making them better. Yes, it sucks if you have a child with bad behavior or poor learning skills, but why is society expected to sacrifice their own children to attempt to fix yours? It's similar to suggesting that all doctors only treat patients in the very worst conditions. A bomb goes off and the hospital spends all of their time on victims with no vital signs and ignores the people bleeding out because they still have vital signs. I'm sorry my post pains you to read, but if you are getting that emotional about it maybe you aren't viewing things objectively?

hyh1048576 10y ago

I was thinking you failed to mention that US won many times, but it seems like you just put US in the same like as Hungary. It's worth mentioning that US got the only whole team full score (252 = 6 * 42) in 1994. And it's worth mentioning that China didn't attend 1998 IMO in Taiwan for political reasons.

pdabbadabba 10y ago
It may also be worth mentioning that China has, what, 4x the population of the U..S.?
- paradite 10y ago
  I hope people also mention that fact when talking about social/political issues in China.

laxatives 10y ago

China's run is pretty incredible. Its also crazy how competitive North Korea is, despite having a nearly non-existent economy or education system and a tiny population. PRK finished in the top 10 every competition in the past decade, except '14, '12, and '10.

nhaliday 10y ago
North Korea has also cheated a couple times, so it's a little questionable: https://www.quora.com/How-did-North-Korea-cheat-in-the-IMO-in-1991-and-2010 https://www.quora.com/How-did-North-Korea-cheat-in-the-IMO-i...