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The Help section in the sidebar with mini video introductions explains that. See step 6 (using the Content Wizard to create a new weblog article for example, i

The Help section in the sidebar with mini video introductions explains that. See step 6 (using the Content Wizard to create a new weblog article for example, including body content) or step 7 (which explains how to switch to structure mode, another way to add and/or rearrange body content). Existing body content can be edited simply by double-clicking on it while in edit mode. The question is whether this is just a case of understanding the basics of a different paradigm, or something that could be made more intuitive. Thanks for the feedback, and thanks for taking the trouble to look at it.

voltagex_ 10y ago
>The Help section in the sidebar with mini video introductions explains that. Are there text-based alternatives to your video?
- DanieleProcida 10y ago
  We have much more complete documentation for developers http://docs.django-cms.org http://docs.django-cms.org and tutorials for beginners https://www.django-cms.org/en/blog/2016/02/16/build-a-website-without-knowing-python-django-part-one/#comment-2820014921 https://www.django-cms.org/en/blog/2016/02/16/build-a-websit....
callahad 10y ago
I spent another 15 minutes with the structure editor, and I think I understand the content model now. During my first encounter it was very difficult for me to discover why when I edited an article, I only saw metadata + lead-in, but not content. I now understand that the content is a series of content blocks that I can edit and rearrange in the structure editor. Looking at the "A Shifting Reef" demo article, it's still somewhat surprising to me that a document containing a lead-in, a paragraph, a blockquote, three more paragraphs, and an image can't be edited as a whole document. Instead, it appears to be treated as an array of [pagemeta], [text], [blockquote], [text], and [image], all of which must be edited separately. My understanding is that if I wanted to move the image up two paragraphs, I'd have to: 1. Open the Structure Editor 2. Create a new, empty text block below the image. Save it. 3. Open the text block before the image, cut the last two paragraphs. Save it. 4. Open the bottom text block, paste the two paragraphs. Save it. If I lose my clipboard between steps 3 and 4, I lose content. Similarly, if someone visits my site between steps 3 and 4, they see broken content. Django CMS has a strong enough reputation that I'm completely willing to believe that I'm being dense and missing something fundamental here. I'd really appreciate your insight as to what I'm doing wrong, and what the expected workflow is. Because right now, that all seems unreasonably convoluted and unsafe for rearranging an image or blockquote amongst text. I guess this would be less of a problem if I could somehow see a stack of all the structured content editors for a given articles, and change them all at once before saving, but I can't seem to find anything like that, either.
- DanieleProcida 10y ago
  Lord no! If you want to move that image up a couple of paragraphs, then (in structure mode) you drag the plugin to its new desired place. Done.
  - callahad 10y ago
    That doesn't work; I can't seem to split the text block to put the image between two paragraphs. In the demo, on the "A Shifting Reef" article, how would you place the image between the paragraph starting "The facts relating" and "Taking into consideration"? They're both part of a single Generic Text block, so my only option in Structure Mode appears to be putting the image above the entire 3-paragraph text block of below it. If I wanted move an image around inside text content, should I be using the CMS Plugins -> Bootstrap 3 -> Image widget inside the text content editor, instead of doing it in the structure editor? Or should I use CMS Plugins -> Filer -> Image? Why are there two ways to add images to my site? I'm not being willfully obtuse here; I'm genuinely failing to accomplish common, content-centric editing tasks. The structured content model of Django CMS looks really interesting and powerful, but its usability and discoverability seems pretty difficult for me. I'd highly recommend running some usability tests and observing real people interacting with Django CMS and competing platforms to see where people get stuck and what wrong turns they take. Jakob Nielsen has a good article on usability testing at https://www.nngroup.com/articles/usability-101-introduction-to-usability/ https://www.nngroup.com/articles/usability-101-introduction-....
    - DanieleProcida 10y ago
      This is probably getting a bit detailed for a Hacker News thread, but I'd be happy to take this elsewhere. Your feedback has been very helpful and is much appreciated. We're on https://www.divio.com/en/#intercom https://www.divio.com/en/#intercom amongst other places, but that's the easiest way to speak to us directly if you like. Thanks again.
- busterarm 10y ago
  My content team would not be able to deal with this. But they know WordPress.

voltagex_ 10y ago

>The Help section in the sidebar with mini video introductions explains that. Are there text-based alternatives to your video?

DanieleProcida 10y ago
We have much more complete documentation for developers http://docs.django-cms.org http://docs.django-cms.org and tutorials for beginners https://www.django-cms.org/en/blog/2016/02/16/build-a-website-without-knowing-python-django-part-one/#comment-2820014921 https://www.django-cms.org/en/blog/2016/02/16/build-a-websit....

callahad 10y ago

I spent another 15 minutes with the structure editor, and I think I understand the content model now. During my first encounter it was very difficult for me to discover why when I edited an article, I only saw metadata + lead-in, but not content. I now understand that the content is a series of content blocks that I can edit and rearrange in the structure editor. Looking at the "A Shifting Reef" demo article, it's still somewhat surprising to me that a document containing a lead-in, a paragraph, a blockquote, three more paragraphs, and an image can't be edited as a whole document. Instead, it appears to be treated as an array of [pagemeta], [text], [blockquote], [text], and [image], all of which must be edited separately. My understanding is that if I wanted to move the image up two paragraphs, I'd have to: 1. Open the Structure Editor 2. Create a new, empty text block below the image. Save it. 3. Open the text block before the image, cut the last two paragraphs. Save it. 4. Open the bottom text block, paste the two paragraphs. Save it. If I lose my clipboard between steps 3 and 4, I lose content. Similarly, if someone visits my site between steps 3 and 4, they see broken content. Django CMS has a strong enough reputation that I'm completely willing to believe that I'm being dense and missing something fundamental here. I'd really appreciate your insight as to what I'm doing wrong, and what the expected workflow is. Because right now, that all seems unreasonably convoluted and unsafe for rearranging an image or blockquote amongst text. I guess this would be less of a problem if I could somehow see a stack of all the structured content editors for a given articles, and change them all at once before saving, but I can't seem to find anything like that, either.

DanieleProcida 10y ago
Lord no! If you want to move that image up a couple of paragraphs, then (in structure mode) you drag the plugin to its new desired place. Done.
- callahad 10y ago
  That doesn't work; I can't seem to split the text block to put the image between two paragraphs. In the demo, on the "A Shifting Reef" article, how would you place the image between the paragraph starting "The facts relating" and "Taking into consideration"? They're both part of a single Generic Text block, so my only option in Structure Mode appears to be putting the image above the entire 3-paragraph text block of below it. If I wanted move an image around inside text content, should I be using the CMS Plugins -> Bootstrap 3 -> Image widget inside the text content editor, instead of doing it in the structure editor? Or should I use CMS Plugins -> Filer -> Image? Why are there two ways to add images to my site? I'm not being willfully obtuse here; I'm genuinely failing to accomplish common, content-centric editing tasks. The structured content model of Django CMS looks really interesting and powerful, but its usability and discoverability seems pretty difficult for me. I'd highly recommend running some usability tests and observing real people interacting with Django CMS and competing platforms to see where people get stuck and what wrong turns they take. Jakob Nielsen has a good article on usability testing at https://www.nngroup.com/articles/usability-101-introduction-to-usability/ https://www.nngroup.com/articles/usability-101-introduction-....
  - DanieleProcida 10y ago
    This is probably getting a bit detailed for a Hacker News thread, but I'd be happy to take this elsewhere. Your feedback has been very helpful and is much appreciated. We're on https://www.divio.com/en/#intercom https://www.divio.com/en/#intercom amongst other places, but that's the easiest way to speak to us directly if you like. Thanks again.
busterarm 10y ago
My content team would not be able to deal with this. But they know WordPress.