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> while the highly-skilled workers continue to wait in a queue that may take 20-50 years. According to https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/law-and-policy

by crypto5 10y ago

> while the highly-skilled workers continue to wait in a queue that may take 20-50 years. According to https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/law-and-policy/bulletin/2016/visa-bulletin-for-august-2016.html https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/law-and-policy/bul..., the only category which is waiting for 12 years are indians, because consulting companies like infosys (aka bodyshops) bring large number of low skilled engineers to US, using scam schemes, creating backlog. High skilled engineers from rest of the world are waiting for green cards for 2-3 years only.

mavelikara 10y ago
> the only category which is waiting for 12 years are indians, because consulting companies like ... There is a small fixed number of GC's allocated to each country, irrespective of the population of that country or the number of people applying from that country. So Iceland gets the same allocation as India or China. If you randomly pick six humans alive on this planet now, one of them is likely to be Indian and one of them is likely to be Chinese. And hence, the allocated GC numbers (~ 7K per year IIRC) don't suffice for these countries resulting in huge backlogs. I think this has very little to do with consulting companies etc. > High skilled engineers from rest of the world are waiting for green cards for 2-3 years only. High skilled Indian or Chinese engineers who applied 12 years ago are getting their GCs now. Those that apply now will likely get it in a few decades only. You seem to suggest that this is somehow OK because "well, it is after all just the Indians!". Why is that so?
- crypto5 10y ago
  > Indian or Chinese engineers who applied 12 years ago are getting their GCs now Backlog for Chinese engineers is 6 years, not 12. > Those that apply now will likely get it in a few decades only. Is word "likely" here based on any analysis? Or you throw random statements as usually? > Why is that so? Perhaps per country cap was implemented for a reason: immigrants to US are culturally and nationally diverse, not just all Indians. Also I suggest you to spend your energy fighting against h1b and l1 scam from Indian consulting companies. It will relax situation for real Indian high skilled engineers significantly.
  - mavelikara 10y ago
    >> Indian or Chinese engineers who applied 12 years ago are getting their GCs now > Backlog for Chinese engineers is 6 years, not 12. That is correct. >> Those that apply now will likely get it in a few decades only. > Is word "likely" here based on any analysis? Or you throw random statements as usually? It is based on analysis. Please see: http://www.cato.org/blog/no-one-knows-how-long-legal-immigrants-will-have-wait http://www.cato.org/blog/no-one-knows-how-long-legal-immigra... >> Why is that so? > Perhaps per country cap was implemented for a reason: immigrants to US are culturally and nationally diverse, not just all Indians. Yes, that is the _stated_ reason. Cultural diversity, I can understand. But national diversity? Why should tiny nations of one continent be preferred over larger nations of another? The Hart-Celler Act of 1965 had gone some way in fixing these discriminatory immigration preferences. > Also I suggest you to spend your energy fighting against h1b and l1 scam from Indian consulting companies. It will relax situation for real Indian high skilled engineers significantly. Agreed that this also needs be to fixed.
    - crypto5 10y ago
      > It is based on analysis. Please see: http://www.cato.org/blog/no-one-knows-how-long-legal-immigra.. http://www.cato.org/blog/no-one-knows-how-long-legal-immigra.... So, that analysis extrapolates 2 numbers from 2006 and 2008 years to timeframe of 20 years. Looks very strange for me. > But national diversity? Obviously, there is a strong correlation between national and cultural diversity, and since it is hard to set metrics for culture diversity, national diversity has been used.
      - mavelikara 10y ago
        > So, that analysis extrapolates 2 numbers from 2006 and 2008 years to timeframe of 20 years. Looks very strange for me. Having been on the receiving end of this for nearly a decade now, knowing many people who have been waiting even longer, and having read about this issue for many years - it does not look strange to me. > Obviously, there is a strong correlation between national and cultural diversity, and since it is hard to set metrics for culture diversity, national diversity has been used. And I am pointing out instances where this heuristic does not apply. Kerala and Gujrat have as much cultural diversity as any two countries in Europe. So, back to the original question - why is the attitude "Well, it is after all just the Indians!" OK?

by crypto5 10y ago

mavelikara 10y ago

> the only category which is waiting for 12 years are indians, because consulting companies like ... There is a small fixed number of GC's allocated to each country, irrespective of the population of that country or the number of people applying from that country. So Iceland gets the same allocation as India or China. If you randomly pick six humans alive on this planet now, one of them is likely to be Indian and one of them is likely to be Chinese. And hence, the allocated GC numbers (~ 7K per year IIRC) don't suffice for these countries resulting in huge backlogs. I think this has very little to do with consulting companies etc. > High skilled engineers from rest of the world are waiting for green cards for 2-3 years only. High skilled Indian or Chinese engineers who applied 12 years ago are getting their GCs now. Those that apply now will likely get it in a few decades only. You seem to suggest that this is somehow OK because "well, it is after all just the Indians!". Why is that so?

crypto5 10y ago
> Indian or Chinese engineers who applied 12 years ago are getting their GCs now Backlog for Chinese engineers is 6 years, not 12. > Those that apply now will likely get it in a few decades only. Is word "likely" here based on any analysis? Or you throw random statements as usually? > Why is that so? Perhaps per country cap was implemented for a reason: immigrants to US are culturally and nationally diverse, not just all Indians. Also I suggest you to spend your energy fighting against h1b and l1 scam from Indian consulting companies. It will relax situation for real Indian high skilled engineers significantly.
- mavelikara 10y ago
  >> Indian or Chinese engineers who applied 12 years ago are getting their GCs now > Backlog for Chinese engineers is 6 years, not 12. That is correct. >> Those that apply now will likely get it in a few decades only. > Is word "likely" here based on any analysis? Or you throw random statements as usually? It is based on analysis. Please see: http://www.cato.org/blog/no-one-knows-how-long-legal-immigrants-will-have-wait http://www.cato.org/blog/no-one-knows-how-long-legal-immigra... >> Why is that so? > Perhaps per country cap was implemented for a reason: immigrants to US are culturally and nationally diverse, not just all Indians. Yes, that is the _stated_ reason. Cultural diversity, I can understand. But national diversity? Why should tiny nations of one continent be preferred over larger nations of another? The Hart-Celler Act of 1965 had gone some way in fixing these discriminatory immigration preferences. > Also I suggest you to spend your energy fighting against h1b and l1 scam from Indian consulting companies. It will relax situation for real Indian high skilled engineers significantly. Agreed that this also needs be to fixed.
  - crypto5 10y ago
    > It is based on analysis. Please see: http://www.cato.org/blog/no-one-knows-how-long-legal-immigra.. http://www.cato.org/blog/no-one-knows-how-long-legal-immigra.... So, that analysis extrapolates 2 numbers from 2006 and 2008 years to timeframe of 20 years. Looks very strange for me. > But national diversity? Obviously, there is a strong correlation between national and cultural diversity, and since it is hard to set metrics for culture diversity, national diversity has been used.
    - mavelikara 10y ago
      > So, that analysis extrapolates 2 numbers from 2006 and 2008 years to timeframe of 20 years. Looks very strange for me. Having been on the receiving end of this for nearly a decade now, knowing many people who have been waiting even longer, and having read about this issue for many years - it does not look strange to me. > Obviously, there is a strong correlation between national and cultural diversity, and since it is hard to set metrics for culture diversity, national diversity has been used. And I am pointing out instances where this heuristic does not apply. Kerala and Gujrat have as much cultural diversity as any two countries in Europe. So, back to the original question - why is the attitude "Well, it is after all just the Indians!" OK?