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I just saw the new Star Wars -- cofinanced by (e:) Alibaba films. In it, one of the moral cruxes of the main story was that the crew needed 'Unity'. I saw this

I just saw the new Star Wars -- cofinanced by (e:) Alibaba films. In it, one of the moral cruxes of the main story was that the crew needed 'Unity'. I saw this as a subtle shift from american 'Freedom'. There's a <plot point, not super spoilery> point where some 'good guys' are being held prisoner. In any red-blooded American Hollywood Film, this would lead to 'GIVE US OUR FREEDOM' type resistance. In this movie, it led to 'WE NEED UNITY' resistance. Maybe I am reading too much in to it, but it felt like a shift influenced by the additional target market of the East, and I don't see Hollywood as a source of affecting moral/civic unrest.

jgroch 10y ago
"Maybe I am reading too much in to it...." No, i don't think that you're reading too much into it. In fact, i like your analysis. I'll have to rewatch it, again. LOL especially concerning "unity" vs. "FREEDOMMM!"
- jwhitlark 10y ago
  Is that a Helldivers reference?
mladenkovacevic 10y ago
Do you by any chance mean Star Trek and Alibaba films?
- irrational 10y ago
  Thank you. I haven't seen the new Star Trek movie, but I have seen the new Star Wars movie so I was so very confused.
- rayvd 10y ago
  Probably. This wouldn't be a new theme for Star Trek.
- mmanfrin 10y ago
  Yes, thank you for pointing that out, edited my post. e: Augh, I missed changing the Star Wars -> Star Trek edit and now I can't edit; I have permanently lost nerd cred for making that mixup ;_;
  - mladenkovacevic 10y ago
    May the force live long and prosper with you :)
zd4akaq85a 10y ago
Independence Day, a blue-blooded American Hollywood Film if there ever was one, is also all about unity.
- jackcosgrove 10y ago
  Think you mean red-blooded. "Ordinary People" is a blue-blooded American Hollywood film.
  - mmanfrin 10y ago
    That would be my mistake -- I said blue-blooded in my original post and I meant red-blooded as you have pointed out.
learc83 10y ago
>In it, one of the moral cruxes of the main story was that the crew needed 'Unity'. I saw this as a subtle shift from american 'Freedom'. Teamwork is a huge theme in countless Hollywood movies. A rag tag group of misfits who has to overcome their differences and learn to work together is a classic movie trope. I don't think this has anything do with trying to appeal to Chinese audiences. Less complex (and less overall) dialogue designed to make it easier to translate is an actual example of trying to succeed in China.
- mmanfrin 10y ago
  Certainly there is teamwork in many films, but I feel in traditional films that teamwork is to work towards the common goal of 'freedom' (abstractly). In this Star Trek movie, it came down to a struggle of power vs (explicitly) "unity". I.e., bad guy was against the idea of Unity. So in American films, unity is used as a tool to the end goal of freedom, whereas in this film the struggle was towards the ultimate goal of unity.
  - learc83 10y ago
    But that's one of the central themes of Star Trek. The Federation is explicitly about unity, not necessarily freedom. The Federation has been accessed of being an essentially communist government over the years. The film was written by long time fan of the series, so one of the central themes of the series being highlighted in the film is unsurprising. I sincerely doubt it has anything to do with China.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    Unity vs. Chaos, with a preference for the former, is a common and recurring them in American film and television which has not infrequently featured in the Star Trek franchise. Freedom vs. authority/conformity, with the preference for the former, is also a common and recurring theme in American film and TV which has not infrequently featured in the Star Trek franchise, and, yes, the two themes do have tension with each other (a tension which is, itself, another common and recurring theme in American film and television which has not infrequently featured in the Star Trek franchise.)

jgroch 10y ago

"Maybe I am reading too much in to it...." No, i don't think that you're reading too much into it. In fact, i like your analysis. I'll have to rewatch it, again. LOL especially concerning "unity" vs. "FREEDOMMM!"

jwhitlark 10y ago
Is that a Helldivers reference?

mladenkovacevic 10y ago

Do you by any chance mean Star Trek and Alibaba films?

irrational 10y ago
Thank you. I haven't seen the new Star Trek movie, but I have seen the new Star Wars movie so I was so very confused.
rayvd 10y ago
Probably. This wouldn't be a new theme for Star Trek.
mmanfrin 10y ago
Yes, thank you for pointing that out, edited my post. e: Augh, I missed changing the Star Wars -> Star Trek edit and now I can't edit; I have permanently lost nerd cred for making that mixup ;_;
- mladenkovacevic 10y ago
  May the force live long and prosper with you :)

zd4akaq85a 10y ago

Independence Day, a blue-blooded American Hollywood Film if there ever was one, is also all about unity.

jackcosgrove 10y ago
Think you mean red-blooded. "Ordinary People" is a blue-blooded American Hollywood film.
- mmanfrin 10y ago
  That would be my mistake -- I said blue-blooded in my original post and I meant red-blooded as you have pointed out.

learc83 10y ago

>In it, one of the moral cruxes of the main story was that the crew needed 'Unity'. I saw this as a subtle shift from american 'Freedom'. Teamwork is a huge theme in countless Hollywood movies. A rag tag group of misfits who has to overcome their differences and learn to work together is a classic movie trope. I don't think this has anything do with trying to appeal to Chinese audiences. Less complex (and less overall) dialogue designed to make it easier to translate is an actual example of trying to succeed in China.

mmanfrin 10y ago
Certainly there is teamwork in many films, but I feel in traditional films that teamwork is to work towards the common goal of 'freedom' (abstractly). In this Star Trek movie, it came down to a struggle of power vs (explicitly) "unity". I.e., bad guy was against the idea of Unity. So in American films, unity is used as a tool to the end goal of freedom, whereas in this film the struggle was towards the ultimate goal of unity.
- learc83 10y ago
  But that's one of the central themes of Star Trek. The Federation is explicitly about unity, not necessarily freedom. The Federation has been accessed of being an essentially communist government over the years. The film was written by long time fan of the series, so one of the central themes of the series being highlighted in the film is unsurprising. I sincerely doubt it has anything to do with China.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  Unity vs. Chaos, with a preference for the former, is a common and recurring them in American film and television which has not infrequently featured in the Star Trek franchise. Freedom vs. authority/conformity, with the preference for the former, is also a common and recurring theme in American film and TV which has not infrequently featured in the Star Trek franchise, and, yes, the two themes do have tension with each other (a tension which is, itself, another common and recurring theme in American film and television which has not infrequently featured in the Star Trek franchise.)