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I was thinking of chunkier savings, i.e. more on the order of 10-15 years' worth of expenses. The evaporation starts to hurt more at that scale, and here in the

by mrec 10y ago

I was thinking of chunkier savings, i.e. more on the order of 10-15 years' worth of expenses. The evaporation starts to hurt more at that scale, and here in the UK fixed rate bonds (which I think are the equivalent of your CDs) still pay less than inflation. Even "official" inflation.

Jtsummers 10y ago
Oh, absolutely. I wouldn't want that much as savings or CDs. My goal is 2-3 years worth of savings in this CD ladder scheme (international dating has seriously hampered my ability to save at my desired rate). But, yes, you're correct, for that amount, savings and CDs or fixed rate bonds suck.
jlgaddis 10y ago
If you have accumulated 10-15 years worth of savings, that money should be somewhere it is earning a return (easily beating out inflation). It certainly should not be in your savings or checking account at the local bank. I have roughly six months worth of expenses in cash, that I could go take out of the bank right now should something happen. I'll be fine as long as the remainder is somewhere I can get to (some of) it within six months -- and it is.
- mrec 10y ago
  I think you missed the first sentence of my earlier comment: > That assumes decent real returns on investment, which I'm not convinced really exist any more without taking on more risk than many are comfortable with. I can't see anything right now that isn't at bubble levels based on the expectation of zero interest rates continuing forever everywhere. Maybe they will, but I think at that point you're gambling rather than investing, and gambling doesn't appeal to everyone.
  - yompers888 10y ago
    So maybe hold the cash and short-term assets you feel compelled to have, and index the market with the rest? It may decrease in value for a time, but if you avoid realizing those losses, it'll likely bounce back. If you think the whole economy is in for a serious contraction with a decade+ horizon for recovery, you could go into previous metals, but you may just be screwed either way. I actually do believe that the US is in for serious contraction due to the unsustainable infrastructure and development patterns. I'm hanging out in the market anyway, because the federal reserve and misplaced public trust in municipal bonds will kick that can decades further down the road before we ever face the facts. Until then, I know that I don't have the forecasting ability of large banks, so I play the game with the only advantage I've got: patience.

by mrec 10y ago

Jtsummers 10y ago

Oh, absolutely. I wouldn't want that much as savings or CDs. My goal is 2-3 years worth of savings in this CD ladder scheme (international dating has seriously hampered my ability to save at my desired rate). But, yes, you're correct, for that amount, savings and CDs or fixed rate bonds suck.

jlgaddis 10y ago

If you have accumulated 10-15 years worth of savings, that money should be somewhere it is earning a return (easily beating out inflation). It certainly should not be in your savings or checking account at the local bank. I have roughly six months worth of expenses in cash, that I could go take out of the bank right now should something happen. I'll be fine as long as the remainder is somewhere I can get to (some of) it within six months -- and it is.

mrec 10y ago
I think you missed the first sentence of my earlier comment: > That assumes decent real returns on investment, which I'm not convinced really exist any more without taking on more risk than many are comfortable with. I can't see anything right now that isn't at bubble levels based on the expectation of zero interest rates continuing forever everywhere. Maybe they will, but I think at that point you're gambling rather than investing, and gambling doesn't appeal to everyone.
- yompers888 10y ago
  So maybe hold the cash and short-term assets you feel compelled to have, and index the market with the rest? It may decrease in value for a time, but if you avoid realizing those losses, it'll likely bounce back. If you think the whole economy is in for a serious contraction with a decade+ horizon for recovery, you could go into previous metals, but you may just be screwed either way. I actually do believe that the US is in for serious contraction due to the unsustainable infrastructure and development patterns. I'm hanging out in the market anyway, because the federal reserve and misplaced public trust in municipal bonds will kick that can decades further down the road before we ever face the facts. Until then, I know that I don't have the forecasting ability of large banks, so I play the game with the only advantage I've got: patience.