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Daring Fireball: Generals' War

51 points by barredo 17y ago

daniel02216 17y ago
Counterpoint: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1221994 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1221994 Also, I'm thinking some of this Microsoftian 'us against the world' mentality could be from ex-Microsoft employees which have moved to Google and Apple as managers. From the outside, it seems like the combative teams, at least at Google, are either based in Seattle, or had ex-Microsoft employees in them (Android). (Disclaimer: complete speculation/hypothesis.)
borism 17y ago
executive summary: gruber was wrong again and is correcting himself, don't waste your time
ZeroGravitas 17y ago
This seems a bit confused. Apparently Apple higher-ups are really pissed at (parts of) Google, Android mainly, but Google higher-ups are really pissed at all of Apple ("managers are talking about waging war"). Two possibilities I see are: either Apple is unaware that the whole of Google are conspiring against them, or this is entirely on Apple's side. It's possible that Gruber's Google sources are all within the Android team but surely he would have pieced that together on his own?
georgekv 17y ago
The generals are still willing to chat at least: http://gizmodo.com/5503004/steve-jobs-and-eric-schmidt-spotted-together-again http://gizmodo.com/5503004/steve-jobs-and-eric-schmidt-spott...
- TomOfTTB 17y ago
  The more this story develops the more it seems like watercooler gossip that has spilled into the blogosphere. As much as they may have opposing products Apple and Google still rely on each other a lot which makes an open war between execs seem unlikely
  - george_morgan 17y ago
    I can see that Apple relies on Google services, but what does Apple provide which Google relies on?
    - mishmash 17y ago
      A large number of laptops would be my guess.
    - ZitchDog 17y ago
      Eyeballs?
thrdOriginal 17y ago
Like sands through the hourglass...
alexgartrell 17y ago
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Android team wanted to destroy iPhone, it's definitely the haves and the have nots (I mean, people use and like Android phones (myself included), but the iPhone is and always has been something of a phenomenon). However, I don't think the Android team (having been absorbed in an acquisition) is necessarily representative of all of Google. The only point of data I have there is their receptiveness to outside contributors (the 'we're students looking to contribute' email got 10 response on chromium-dev and didn't even make it past the android-kernel-dev moderators). I think Google's interest in android is more along the lines of ensuring that there is an open internet-enabled phone for regular people. I'd guess that Google makes more money off of iphone users use of its services than it does off of anything Android related at all.
dbz 17y ago
I'm totally for the war. I'm elated that the engineers aren't involved because if they were, then the war would be a completely different situation, but they aren't. That said: If this war really takes on momentum, then (assuming one side doesn't just win [Lawsuits take a while]) each side will try to out build the other with new technology. Has anyone seen the new Nexus One commercials (on hulu for me)? Google is finally advertising the capabilities of its new phone. What's the best part? The engineers won't be pressured to give a hoot, but I admit it may seem a bit stressful. General Google, I side with you =] Well, this is what I hope will happen =/
matttibbals69 17y ago
I'm Matt Tibbals, pedophile. http://www.matthewtibbals.com http://www.matthewtibbals.com
madair 17y ago
Pundits' War

51 points by barredo 17y ago

Counterpoint: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1221994 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1221994 Also, I'm thinking some of this Microsoftian 'us against the world' mentality could be from ex-Microsoft employees which have moved to Google and Apple as managers. From the outside, it seems like the combative teams, at least at Google, are either based in Seattle, or had ex-Microsoft employees in them (Android). (Disclaimer: complete speculation/hypothesis.)

borism 17y ago

executive summary: gruber was wrong again and is correcting himself, don't waste your time

ZeroGravitas 17y ago

This seems a bit confused. Apparently Apple higher-ups are really pissed at (parts of) Google, Android mainly, but Google higher-ups are really pissed at all of Apple ("managers are talking about waging war"). Two possibilities I see are: either Apple is unaware that the whole of Google are conspiring against them, or this is entirely on Apple's side. It's possible that Gruber's Google sources are all within the Android team but surely he would have pieced that together on his own?

georgekv 17y ago

The generals are still willing to chat at least: http://gizmodo.com/5503004/steve-jobs-and-eric-schmidt-spotted-together-again http://gizmodo.com/5503004/steve-jobs-and-eric-schmidt-spott...

TomOfTTB 17y ago
The more this story develops the more it seems like watercooler gossip that has spilled into the blogosphere. As much as they may have opposing products Apple and Google still rely on each other a lot which makes an open war between execs seem unlikely
- george_morgan 17y ago
  I can see that Apple relies on Google services, but what does Apple provide which Google relies on?
  - mishmash 17y ago
    A large number of laptops would be my guess.
  - ZitchDog 17y ago
    Eyeballs?

thrdOriginal 17y ago

Like sands through the hourglass...

alexgartrell 17y ago

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Android team wanted to destroy iPhone, it's definitely the haves and the have nots (I mean, people use and like Android phones (myself included), but the iPhone is and always has been something of a phenomenon). However, I don't think the Android team (having been absorbed in an acquisition) is necessarily representative of all of Google. The only point of data I have there is their receptiveness to outside contributors (the 'we're students looking to contribute' email got 10 response on chromium-dev and didn't even make it past the android-kernel-dev moderators). I think Google's interest in android is more along the lines of ensuring that there is an open internet-enabled phone for regular people. I'd guess that Google makes more money off of iphone users use of its services than it does off of anything Android related at all.

dbz 17y ago

I'm totally for the war. I'm elated that the engineers aren't involved because if they were, then the war would be a completely different situation, but they aren't. That said: If this war really takes on momentum, then (assuming one side doesn't just win [Lawsuits take a while]) each side will try to out build the other with new technology. Has anyone seen the new Nexus One commercials (on hulu for me)? Google is finally advertising the capabilities of its new phone. What's the best part? The engineers won't be pressured to give a hoot, but I admit it may seem a bit stressful. General Google, I side with you =] Well, this is what I hope will happen =/

matttibbals69 17y ago

I'm Matt Tibbals, pedophile. http://www.matthewtibbals.com http://www.matthewtibbals.com

madair 17y ago

Pundits' War