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See, I'd have no problem with the BlackLivesMatter movement except that they denounce productive protests by their own members for not being disruptive. There w

by eximius 10y ago

See, I'd have no problem with the BlackLivesMatter movement except that they denounce productive protests by their own members for not being disruptive. There was a protest that turned into a BBQ with the protesters and police and the movement denounced it as against their principles. They seem to only want to be mad at police and not fix things. They only barely aren't advocating black supremacy in that their lives matter more. Its just not a good movement (in practice).

duaneb 10y ago
It is not a centrally organized movement. > They seem to only want to be mad at police and not fix things. Well, having some sort of change is the point of the movement. Cookouts aren't going to discourage the eager use of lethal force, even if they are good at reducing tension in the community. I can't speak further on that without understanding to which city's movement you're referring.
- eximius 10y ago
  I was under the impression it had a central group and had an official platform that chartered other groups. Also, you don't use lethal force on people you aren't afraid of (somewhat of a generalization here). Cookouts DO help. Anyway, I'm speaking mostly from headlines and not research or IRL experience. I probably shouldn't do that.
  - duaneb 10y ago
    Personally I know quite a few BLM members, and the overall opinion was joy at hearing about the cookout (I've heard of at least two). Everyone wants good relations with police because yes, they do make life better for the community. That's pretty clear. But again, the movement and attitudes vary from city to city and there's a lot of posturing for politics. I think there's a fear that there will be a culture change (which IS positive, I think we can all agree) without changes to the underlying problems that enable police brutality without consequence: lack of civilian oversight, the fraternity order of police, the emphasis of lethal force in split-second decision making. It makes me sick there have been no convictions thus far, and that needs to change before people can trust the police to, well, police themselves. There's also a huge overlap with gun violence. That's a topic I won't touch here with a ten foot pole due to its complexity.

by eximius 10y ago

duaneb 10y ago

It is not a centrally organized movement. > They seem to only want to be mad at police and not fix things. Well, having some sort of change is the point of the movement. Cookouts aren't going to discourage the eager use of lethal force, even if they are good at reducing tension in the community. I can't speak further on that without understanding to which city's movement you're referring.

eximius 10y ago
I was under the impression it had a central group and had an official platform that chartered other groups. Also, you don't use lethal force on people you aren't afraid of (somewhat of a generalization here). Cookouts DO help. Anyway, I'm speaking mostly from headlines and not research or IRL experience. I probably shouldn't do that.
- duaneb 10y ago
  Personally I know quite a few BLM members, and the overall opinion was joy at hearing about the cookout (I've heard of at least two). Everyone wants good relations with police because yes, they do make life better for the community. That's pretty clear. But again, the movement and attitudes vary from city to city and there's a lot of posturing for politics. I think there's a fear that there will be a culture change (which IS positive, I think we can all agree) without changes to the underlying problems that enable police brutality without consequence: lack of civilian oversight, the fraternity order of police, the emphasis of lethal force in split-second decision making. It makes me sick there have been no convictions thus far, and that needs to change before people can trust the police to, well, police themselves. There's also a huge overlap with gun violence. That's a topic I won't touch here with a ten foot pole due to its complexity.