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Those policies were both very expensive and caused a slowdown in economic growth. Sweden has rolled many of them back recently. https://mises.org/library/how-m

Those policies were both very expensive and caused a slowdown in economic growth. Sweden has rolled many of them back recently. https://mises.org/library/how-modern-sweden-profits-success-its-free-market-history https://mises.org/library/how-modern-sweden-profits-success-...

pavlov 10y ago
How is that theoretical slowdown apparent in today's Stockholm? The city is a buzzing growth center, as wealthy on the surface as San Francisco, but without any of the obvious problems with "homelessness, the mentally ill, the dirtiness & shabbiness of the city" (which the grandparent poster wanted to blame on liberal government). You make it sound like Sweden in the '80s was a pseudo-Cuba. That was never the case.
- aminok 10y ago
  A slowdown is a remark on a change in trajectory, not a change in absolute position.
Kurtz79 10y ago
Weird that a right-wing liberatarian organization is criticizing liberal social policies... "The Mises Institute, founded in 1982, teaches the scholarship of Austrian economics, freedom, and peace... Accordingly, we seek a profound and radical shift in the intellectual climate: away from statism and toward a private property order."
- aminok 10y ago
  So if one concluded, based on an impartial examination of economic facts, that free market economics is indeed the best way to foster economic development and standard of living gains, how should one promote such views without become an advocate of free market economics (and thus become discredited in your eyes)?
  - Kurtz79 10y ago
    "based on an impartial examination of economic facts". That's a bold assumption to make. Facts are objective by definition, but their interpretation it's often not. The moment you state your objective if promote free market economics it's clear that you will give an interpretation of facts that goes towards validating that view. You can promote your views this way, but cannot expect people not to take a critical view of them. Just read anyhting from Paul Krugman on the NYT, and you will see equally partial interpretations of facts that come to very different conclusions.
    - aminok 10y ago
      So promoting any economic view discredits someone? Or just those you personally disagree with?
      - Kurtz79 10y ago
        No, have you read my post ? No problem in promoting your views, just not expect people to take them at face value, or as an "impartial examination of facts", when they are not.
        aminok 10y ago
        >just not expect people to take them at face value, Of course not. But no one asked you to take the views of the Mises Institute at face value. It appeared to me that you were implying they were biased, meaning not credible, based on the fact that they have endorsed free market economics since the 1950s. Which is an assumption that a group that regularly endorses a particular school of economic thought is biased toward that school of thought for reasons other than sound and impartial economic analysis. If I was misreading what you were implying, then I of course take my previous comments back.
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pavlov 10y ago

How is that theoretical slowdown apparent in today's Stockholm? The city is a buzzing growth center, as wealthy on the surface as San Francisco, but without any of the obvious problems with "homelessness, the mentally ill, the dirtiness & shabbiness of the city" (which the grandparent poster wanted to blame on liberal government). You make it sound like Sweden in the '80s was a pseudo-Cuba. That was never the case.

aminok 10y ago
A slowdown is a remark on a change in trajectory, not a change in absolute position.

Kurtz79 10y ago

Weird that a right-wing liberatarian organization is criticizing liberal social policies... "The Mises Institute, founded in 1982, teaches the scholarship of Austrian economics, freedom, and peace... Accordingly, we seek a profound and radical shift in the intellectual climate: away from statism and toward a private property order."

aminok 10y ago
So if one concluded, based on an impartial examination of economic facts, that free market economics is indeed the best way to foster economic development and standard of living gains, how should one promote such views without become an advocate of free market economics (and thus become discredited in your eyes)?
- Kurtz79 10y ago
  "based on an impartial examination of economic facts". That's a bold assumption to make. Facts are objective by definition, but their interpretation it's often not. The moment you state your objective if promote free market economics it's clear that you will give an interpretation of facts that goes towards validating that view. You can promote your views this way, but cannot expect people not to take a critical view of them. Just read anyhting from Paul Krugman on the NYT, and you will see equally partial interpretations of facts that come to very different conclusions.
  - aminok 10y ago
    So promoting any economic view discredits someone? Or just those you personally disagree with?
    - Kurtz79 10y ago
      No, have you read my post ? No problem in promoting your views, just not expect people to take them at face value, or as an "impartial examination of facts", when they are not.
      - aminok 10y ago
        >just not expect people to take them at face value, Of course not. But no one asked you to take the views of the Mises Institute at face value. It appeared to me that you were implying they were biased, meaning not credible, based on the fact that they have endorsed free market economics since the 1950s. Which is an assumption that a group that regularly endorses a particular school of economic thought is biased toward that school of thought for reasons other than sound and impartial economic analysis. If I was misreading what you were implying, then I of course take my previous comments back.
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