>it's never going to feel like Java or Swift .. or Lua, or Bash, or Qt, or Love, or Unity, or Tcl/Tk, or C/C++, or .. anything else that this is now sitting al

>it's never going to feel like Java or Swift .. or Lua, or Bash, or Qt, or Love, or Unity, or Tcl/Tk, or C/C++, or .. anything else that this is now sitting alongside, 'in the stack of usable components'. Its good for web developers. But in the 'native application' realm, there are .. frankly .. a lot of better ways to do user interfaces than the franken-nightmare that supports the gloss...