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> The guy digging proverbial ditches does indeed deserve more How do you know? Do you have some kind of special formula to determine what people deserve to be

> The guy digging proverbial ditches does indeed deserve more How do you know? Do you have some kind of special formula to determine what people deserve to be paid? Otherwise, it's just subjective.

Consultant32452 10y ago
Because I have a basic understanding of supply and demand. I even explained how supply of labor was being distorted in my post at both the higher and lower ends of the job market. I think the more appropriate question is how do you not know?
- twblalock 10y ago
  Ok, then what does a ditch digger deserve to be paid? The answer is a number.
  - Consultant32452 10y ago
    The cumulative impact to low wage native workers is estimated between $99-118 Billion per year. https://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/gborjas/publications/popular/CIS2013.pdf https://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/gborjas/publications/popular/... (page 2)
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  - Consultant32452 10y ago
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/magazine/do-illegal-immigrants-actually-hurt-the-us-economy.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/magazine/do-illegal-immigr... Labor economists have concluded that undocumented workers have lowered the wages of U.S. adults without a high-school diploma — 25 million of them — by anywhere between 0.4 to 7.4 percent.
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    - stickfigure 10y ago
      ...and increased the wages of otherwise poor Guatemalans, Mexicans, and their families by thousands of percent. Why exactly should I be opposed to this?
      - Consultant32452 10y ago
        I don't think it's noble to be charitable with someone else's money, especially when that someone else is already at the poverty level.
        twblalock 10y ago
        Poverty is relative. What we call poverty is a lot more comfortable, and safer, than the conditions the immigrants came from. We haven't eliminated poverty in this country because we keep moving the goalposts.
        Consultant32452 10y ago
        If you're concerned then send your own money, don't advocate policies that take it from our poorest.
        twblalock 10y ago
        I never advocated a policy. Why do you think I did? You are reading a lot into my comments that isn't there.
        stickfigure 10y ago
        Let me see if I understand this: In your worldview, allowing the brown-skinned person next door to bid on the same work that you are bidding on is equivalent to taking money from you?
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> The guy digging proverbial ditches does indeed deserve more How do you know? Do you have some kind of special formula to determine what people deserve to be paid? Otherwise, it's just subjective.

Consultant32452 10y ago

Because I have a basic understanding of supply and demand. I even explained how supply of labor was being distorted in my post at both the higher and lower ends of the job market. I think the more appropriate question is how do you not know?

twblalock 10y ago
Ok, then what does a ditch digger deserve to be paid? The answer is a number.
- Consultant32452 10y ago
  The cumulative impact to low wage native workers is estimated between $99-118 Billion per year. https://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/gborjas/publications/popular/CIS2013.pdf https://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/gborjas/publications/popular/... (page 2)
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- Consultant32452 10y ago
  http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/magazine/do-illegal-immigrants-actually-hurt-the-us-economy.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/magazine/do-illegal-immigr... Labor economists have concluded that undocumented workers have lowered the wages of U.S. adults without a high-school diploma — 25 million of them — by anywhere between 0.4 to 7.4 percent.
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  - stickfigure 10y ago
    ...and increased the wages of otherwise poor Guatemalans, Mexicans, and their families by thousands of percent. Why exactly should I be opposed to this?
    - Consultant32452 10y ago
      I don't think it's noble to be charitable with someone else's money, especially when that someone else is already at the poverty level.
      - twblalock 10y ago
        Poverty is relative. What we call poverty is a lot more comfortable, and safer, than the conditions the immigrants came from. We haven't eliminated poverty in this country because we keep moving the goalposts.
        Consultant32452 10y ago
        If you're concerned then send your own money, don't advocate policies that take it from our poorest.
        twblalock 10y ago
        I never advocated a policy. Why do you think I did? You are reading a lot into my comments that isn't there.
      - stickfigure 10y ago
        Let me see if I understand this: In your worldview, allowing the brown-skinned person next door to bid on the same work that you are bidding on is equivalent to taking money from you?
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