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Fios and Verizon cdma/LTE are the best mass deployed communication networks compared to their domestic peers. They are expensive, but their service delivers. I'

Fios and Verizon cdma/LTE are the best mass deployed communication networks compared to their domestic peers. They are expensive, but their service delivers. I'm very happy with fios. I pay 60 bucks for 75 up and down, and almost always get 80 up and down.

diafygi 10y ago
I'm on T-mobile now, but when I was at a previous job that had to work out of a ton of backwoods locations, everyone on the job used Verizon. The huge push they had to expand coverage everywhere combined with the 700Mhz LTE bands they got to ensure good quality through long distances and obstructions, a lot of the people who don't work in big cities love Verizon because it works. As much as I hate their shady practices, they aren't going to be beat in their core market until someone else offers better coverage and reliability.
- rhino369 10y ago
  Yep I'm on vacation in the backwoods. My personal T-Mobile phone doesn't get any coverage. Luckily my firm let me borrow a Verizon hotspot. Though tmo just deployed a 700mhz network, but my phone doesn't have the LTE band on the baseband chip.
vetinari 10y ago
Well, it seems to me that you are overpaying. I'm paying 15 EUR for 250 down and 100 up for the FTTH service (GPON terminal in my cabinet), and the ISP (Orange) even has its own Youtube cache.
- rocqua 10y ago
  Those are some good prices. I am paying €40 for 50/50. I could get a lower price at a slightly worse ISP, but nothing in that range.
- cpfohl 10y ago
  Yeah, welcome to the USA where you pay more for worse internet.
- rhino369 10y ago
  Is there some huge subsidy going on in your country? That's well below the cost for any feasible fiber deployment in Ameirca. You'd have to use slaves to get it for about 20 bucks. Or is it 15 euro on top of your phone and tv?
  - amazon_not 10y ago
    I don't believe Orange is receiving any subsidy to build or operate its networks. It's more likely that this is in one of the Eastern European countries where the cost of living is lower and prices like these are the norm.
  - vetinari 10y ago
    No, without subsidy, without phone and TV, data only (non-shaped, non-filtered, public and dynamic IP if you have IPv4 service, /56 subnet and DS-Lite if you have IPv6 service). However, this is not a price you would get when you walk in - the price list is 17 EUR for 250/15, upping upload to 100 is 5, upping upload to 250 (from 15, not 100) would be 15. Additional fees if you want TV or phone, or static IP. This network has been in operation for years - I've been customer for 9 years already, hence the lower price. In the beginning, it was slower of course, about 40/10, but I imagine the network has already paid for itself. The reason why it is was built in the first place were bad conditions for accessing DSLAMs operated by our ILEC at the time - T-Com. It was impossible for any ISP to offer flat-rate DSL, because the ILEC was asking for data-based charges, quite high at that. So Orange threw it the towel, built its own optical network, set the prices as another DSL providers, but with order of magnitude faster speeds with no data caps - and had a runaway success with it. The other big ISP were in shock, but to remain competitive they quickly built their own FTTH networks, or at least upgraded their HFC (UPC). So in the end we have a cheap Internet thanks to T-Com greed :).

diafygi 10y ago

I'm on T-mobile now, but when I was at a previous job that had to work out of a ton of backwoods locations, everyone on the job used Verizon. The huge push they had to expand coverage everywhere combined with the 700Mhz LTE bands they got to ensure good quality through long distances and obstructions, a lot of the people who don't work in big cities love Verizon because it works. As much as I hate their shady practices, they aren't going to be beat in their core market until someone else offers better coverage and reliability.

rhino369 10y ago
Yep I'm on vacation in the backwoods. My personal T-Mobile phone doesn't get any coverage. Luckily my firm let me borrow a Verizon hotspot. Though tmo just deployed a 700mhz network, but my phone doesn't have the LTE band on the baseband chip.

vetinari 10y ago

Well, it seems to me that you are overpaying. I'm paying 15 EUR for 250 down and 100 up for the FTTH service (GPON terminal in my cabinet), and the ISP (Orange) even has its own Youtube cache.

rocqua 10y ago
Those are some good prices. I am paying €40 for 50/50. I could get a lower price at a slightly worse ISP, but nothing in that range.
cpfohl 10y ago
Yeah, welcome to the USA where you pay more for worse internet.
rhino369 10y ago
Is there some huge subsidy going on in your country? That's well below the cost for any feasible fiber deployment in Ameirca. You'd have to use slaves to get it for about 20 bucks. Or is it 15 euro on top of your phone and tv?
- amazon_not 10y ago
  I don't believe Orange is receiving any subsidy to build or operate its networks. It's more likely that this is in one of the Eastern European countries where the cost of living is lower and prices like these are the norm.
- vetinari 10y ago
  No, without subsidy, without phone and TV, data only (non-shaped, non-filtered, public and dynamic IP if you have IPv4 service, /56 subnet and DS-Lite if you have IPv6 service). However, this is not a price you would get when you walk in - the price list is 17 EUR for 250/15, upping upload to 100 is 5, upping upload to 250 (from 15, not 100) would be 15. Additional fees if you want TV or phone, or static IP. This network has been in operation for years - I've been customer for 9 years already, hence the lower price. In the beginning, it was slower of course, about 40/10, but I imagine the network has already paid for itself. The reason why it is was built in the first place were bad conditions for accessing DSLAMs operated by our ILEC at the time - T-Com. It was impossible for any ISP to offer flat-rate DSL, because the ILEC was asking for data-based charges, quite high at that. So Orange threw it the towel, built its own optical network, set the prices as another DSL providers, but with order of magnitude faster speeds with no data caps - and had a runaway success with it. The other big ISP were in shock, but to remain competitive they quickly built their own FTTH networks, or at least upgraded their HFC (UPC). So in the end we have a cheap Internet thanks to T-Com greed :).