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Tragic and unfortunate, all around. I wonder what FB's policy on this will be going forward. In many ways, these livestreams are a public good and provide tra
by erdevs 10y ago
Tragic and unfortunate, all around.
I wonder what FB's policy on this will be going forward. In many ways, these livestreams are a public good and provide transparency and additional accountability in these situations. If people elect to stream them, it seems wrong to shut it down. On the other hand, perhaps there is a public good in not showing an ongoing live police operation?
I think I'd lean toward not agreeing to shutdown such streams, unless perhaps it's a hostage situation or terror event of some kind. (Getting into squishy definitions there, I'm sure, which is why I qualify it provisionally.)
As to this particular incident... I wish the deceased hadn't resisted. It seems in this case the police exercised much more caution and restraint than has been the case in many other recent examples of shootings. And I think one thing generally stands: if you threaten to kill a police officer and especially if you do so while holding a weapon (or certainly pointing it at them), you're likely to be shot.
- HelloImDumb 10y agoThis was a hostage situation. Was the 5 year old boy, not a hostage to his crazed, gun-wielding mother in this standoff? I love Monday morning quarterbacks.
- throwaway201607 10y ago>I love Monday morning quarterbacks. honest question, what does this mean?
- nocarrier 10y agoPeople who watch a football game Sunday night and then talk shit at work on Monday about all the things they would have done differently if they were coach/quarterback/etc.
- chipperyman573 10y agoMight have something to do with this[0] >The definition of a Monday morning quarterback is someone who is always criticizing and saying how he would have done something better or differently after the event has passed. [0] http://www.yourdictionary.com/monday-morning-quarterback http://www.yourdictionary.com/monday-morning-quarterback
- vermontdevil 10y agoSame meaning as hindsight is 20/20.
- dghughes 10y agoIt's a polite way of calling someone a know-it-all.
- nstj 10y ago> Monday morning quarterback: A person who analyzes the mistakes they made they day after they've made them. Derived from complaining over quarterbacks on monday morning after the sunday game. [0] [0]: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=monday%20morning%20quarterback http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=monday%20morn...
- panic 10y agoThe police could have left her alone and come back later. They were in her house, and she was only threatening to harm the officers, not her child.
- HelloImDumb 10y agoAgain, I love that Monday morning quarterbacking. Crazed gunman? Come back later. Crazed gunman with a kid? Come back later. Crazed fugitive gunman with a warrant out, with a kid, threatening to kill police? Let them settle down, come back later. There was outrage in my town over a standoff with a guy (with kids) who was having attempted to be served on him by the cops for the dozenth time after a year on the lam, for driving drunk and unlicensed while out on bail for a previous serial drunk-driving arrest. He shot at the cops, screamed that he wouldn't be taken alive, and the cops secured the area, and the guy shot himself in the head. People said they should have left and come back later. Makes a lot of sense.
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- donatj 10y agoAnswer me this. Honestly. Is people getting served really more important than people's lives?
- tedunangst 10y agoIf he's a serial drunk driver, that may be the same thing.
- labster 10y agoThat's basically the balance that government makes, with the answer typically being "sometimes". Is people's electricity service more important than people who die from air pollution? Is getting on an airplane one hour faster more important than people who die from terrorism? There are no easy answers.
- erdevs 10y agoAre you saying that I'm Monday morning quarterbacking? I was trying to ask questions and share possible approaches, without saying anything definitively prescriptive. A Monday Morning Quarterback doesn't leave a lot of question or uncertainty. That's the kind of the point. They take potshots post facto and frame what "should've" been done as obvious or what happened as ridiculous/blatantly stupid. I don't see how my comment can reasonably be read that way. I'd ask that you either explain your rude remark in rational terms, or apologize if you don't think you have a great rationale.
- Grishnakh 10y agoWell, his username is "HelloImDumb"....
- erdevs 10y agoI don't know. Is a child under their mother's care considered a hostage in standoff circumstances? I have no idea. And note that my question was on whether it being a hostage situation should affect the policy or not... so I'm open to the possibility that it was, obviously. Also, you didn't at all address the question about whether it makes sense to stop streamings in the event of a police encounter or not. If not, when shouldn't it be allowed? I think, at least in many states, you do have the right to record police encounters, especially if it's on your own private property or in a public place. But maybe I'm mistaken? Perhaps you can read more carefully, think more carefully, behave more civilly, and try again.
- imglorp 10y ago> perhaps there is a public good in not showing an ongoing live police operation? Fair enough, but maybe just delay any posts of an active operation, instead of censoring them?
- erdevs 10y agoThat seems like a really good suggestion, if it were decided that it's in the public interest not to show some situations live.
- walrus01 10y agoFrom a Facebook abuse and law enforcement operations perspective, if this happens more often it will become a huge pain in the ass. They have procedures in place to provide geolocation and such for urgent subpoenas and warrants (example: a kidnapping in progress). The level of stress that the FB team responsible for this ticket queue must experience is immense.
- tamana 10y agoIt's a strange wish, because the only reason the police were intertsted in arresting her on Aug 1 was because she steadfastly rejected and resisted police authority previously. This was specifically a micro (idiot) rebellion against govt authority, there were no other (non-derivative) issues involved.