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The FBI also said it wouldn't recommend prosecution against Hillary, and the DOJ isn't prosecuting, but everyone under the sun knows Hillary broke the law. The

by joobus 10y ago

The FBI also said it wouldn't recommend prosecution against Hillary, and the DOJ isn't prosecuting, but everyone under the sun knows Hillary broke the law. The FBI's inaction isn't indicative of an absence of criminality.

milcron 10y ago
Not everyone under the sun knows that. Her negligence is worthy of disciplinary action, sure. If this had been discovered while she was still Secretary of State, she may have been fired. But she wouldn't have been sent to prison over it. Lots of relevant discussion here: https://www.quora.com/Are-Republicans-right-to-be-outraged-that-Hillary-has-been-cleared-by-the-FBI https://www.quora.com/Are-Republicans-right-to-be-outraged-t...
- oh_sigh 10y ago
  Something to keep in mind: Quora users, especially ones that respond to political discussions, trend towards liberal intelligista, so you are not exactly getting an unbiased discussion when browsing any topic which may be influenced by politics.
  - beedogs 10y ago
    That might be because smarter people tend to be progressive.
    - zaroth 10y ago
      I guess I should just apologize to HN for every post between my first and here, inclusive. Sorry I brought it up.
    - dang 10y ago
      Please don't do this here.
  - milcron 10y ago
    The bias is a fair point, but it still goes to show that arguments for not incriminating do exist.
Frondo 10y ago
Nope. Innocent until proven guilty. It's not just a saying, it's a way of life.
- zaroth 10y ago
  If only we locked up all the guilty. The world would be behind bars.
- roywiggins 10y ago
  That's a legal idea. It doesn't bind citizens to not come to their own conclusions. We're not actually jurors.
nostromo 10y ago
The silliest part about all this is that we trust these folks to investigate each other. "Hey FBI, please investigate your likely future boss and friend of your current boss and be honest please!" "Hey DOJ, I'm the president, your boss, and I appointed you, but will you investigate this other person I also appointed, even though we're all friends and in the same party? Oh, and please don't be biased." The opportunity for corruption is just too great when an administration investigates itself.
- dredmorbius 10y ago
  What do you suggest as a better option?
zaroth 10y ago
The important thing is that everyone at least knows, or could know if they educated themselves, what she did. The next important thing is whether or not given that information, she will become the next President. So not to spell out the obvious... but, either she's the next President, and very clearly not a felon, or she is not the next President, and exactly one Administration will have a chance at proving she is a felon, until the statue of limitations runs out. Personally, I think it's a crazy bet Hillary is taking. Her life is on the line with this election. The best thing Obama could have done for Hillary is charge Hillary himself, and not let her take this risk, and then pardon her if necessary. When she ultimately sees her day in court, you probably want that to happen under a friendly Administration. Some sort of plea agreement perhaps. Double jeopardy is required for Hillary to be safe from a long statue of limitations. I don't think the President can pardon someone who hasn't been charged yet. So even if she wins this election, she could still be charged by the next administration.

by joobus 10y ago

milcron 10y ago

Not everyone under the sun knows that. Her negligence is worthy of disciplinary action, sure. If this had been discovered while she was still Secretary of State, she may have been fired. But she wouldn't have been sent to prison over it. Lots of relevant discussion here: https://www.quora.com/Are-Republicans-right-to-be-outraged-that-Hillary-has-been-cleared-by-the-FBI https://www.quora.com/Are-Republicans-right-to-be-outraged-t...

oh_sigh 10y ago
Something to keep in mind: Quora users, especially ones that respond to political discussions, trend towards liberal intelligista, so you are not exactly getting an unbiased discussion when browsing any topic which may be influenced by politics.
- beedogs 10y ago
  That might be because smarter people tend to be progressive.
  - zaroth 10y ago
    I guess I should just apologize to HN for every post between my first and here, inclusive. Sorry I brought it up.
  - dang 10y ago
    Please don't do this here.
- milcron 10y ago
  The bias is a fair point, but it still goes to show that arguments for not incriminating do exist.

Frondo 10y ago

Nope. Innocent until proven guilty. It's not just a saying, it's a way of life.

zaroth 10y ago
If only we locked up all the guilty. The world would be behind bars.
roywiggins 10y ago
That's a legal idea. It doesn't bind citizens to not come to their own conclusions. We're not actually jurors.

nostromo 10y ago

The silliest part about all this is that we trust these folks to investigate each other. "Hey FBI, please investigate your likely future boss and friend of your current boss and be honest please!" "Hey DOJ, I'm the president, your boss, and I appointed you, but will you investigate this other person I also appointed, even though we're all friends and in the same party? Oh, and please don't be biased." The opportunity for corruption is just too great when an administration investigates itself.

dredmorbius 10y ago
What do you suggest as a better option?

zaroth 10y ago

The important thing is that everyone at least knows, or could know if they educated themselves, what she did. The next important thing is whether or not given that information, she will become the next President. So not to spell out the obvious... but, either she's the next President, and very clearly not a felon, or she is not the next President, and exactly one Administration will have a chance at proving she is a felon, until the statue of limitations runs out. Personally, I think it's a crazy bet Hillary is taking. Her life is on the line with this election. The best thing Obama could have done for Hillary is charge Hillary himself, and not let her take this risk, and then pardon her if necessary. When she ultimately sees her day in court, you probably want that to happen under a friendly Administration. Some sort of plea agreement perhaps. Double jeopardy is required for Hillary to be safe from a long statue of limitations. I don't think the President can pardon someone who hasn't been charged yet. So even if she wins this election, she could still be charged by the next administration.