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> So what you're saying is, Windows should not strive to meet any sort of basic security capability? It should, but at this cost. > Epic Games can merge Micro

> So what you're saying is, Windows should not strive to meet any sort of basic security capability? It should, but at this cost. > Epic Games can merge Microsoft's fork if they want. (Bear in mind, pull requests start as forks.) Epic games won't. In fact, our conversation starts following the article interviewing Tim Sweeney. I highly doubt if MS will ever be able to convince Epic games to do that. Also in the future what's stopping MS from forcing developers to use Microsoft store, followed by restriction on the type of content, followed by...more restrictions. The trust issue is very big here. It's also true that MS have changed their attitude recently after Satya Nadella became the CEO, but when both Tim Sweeney and Gabe Newell is worried about something - I think the issue deserves more attention. > Tim Sweeney is paranoid in the wrong ways, he's suggesting that you have to leave a poorly secured operating system in order to protect user freedom. That's false. He is saying it will be wiser for the community at large to choose user freedom over poorly implemented security policies.

shmerl 10y ago
> He is saying it will be wiser for the community at large to choose user freedom over poorly implemented security policies. To be honest, he ignores the elephant in the room. Despite his criticism of MS, all his talks assume Windows and MS everywhere. To promote user freedom, he should do more for people to ditch MS for good and to switch to Linux for example. While UE is one of the best engines that support Linux today, it's done as an afterthought, more by contribution of UE community, not so much as a big focus by Epic. Using Windows and complaining that MS can mess things up at any time is somewhat incoherent. Because MS indeed can do it. Make something to reduce relying on MS, that's a fix for it.
- iamcreasy 10y ago
  > it's done as an afterthought, more by contribution of UE community, not so much as a big focus by Epic. I think that's wrong. Linux support was on the road map, but since the engine was open source, the community(done by one person if I remember correctly) beat them to it. And today Linux is a fully supported platform. > Using Windows and complaining that MS can mess things up at any time is somewhat incoherent. Very true. Our only hope is to talk about it, and hoping that MS would listen.
  - shmerl 10y ago
    > Our only hope is to talk about it, and hoping that MS would listen. I don't really care much whether MS will listen. What even if they won't? The only proper solution is not to depend on them altogether. > Linux support was on the road map, but since the engine was open source, the community(done by one person if I remember correctly) beat them to it. And today Linux is a fully supported platform. I red somewhere, that many merge requests were ignored for a long time, and Linux wasn't really much of a priority for Epic to begin with. They should focus on Linux more IMHO, including in such public statements. Otherwise these criticisms by Tim Sweeney seem more like rants, than any practical proposals on how to improve the situation.
    - iamcreasy 10y ago
      Agreed. But it's not just about games, or about Unreal engine. Its about all user level applications. And he is just pointing out this general problem.
serge2k 10y ago
> Gabe Newell I'm sure his attitude has nothing at all to do with owning steam and worrying that Microsoft might actually become a viable competitor. Oh, and unlike EA he can't rely on a customer base that has rabid hatred for MS.

shmerl 10y ago

> He is saying it will be wiser for the community at large to choose user freedom over poorly implemented security policies. To be honest, he ignores the elephant in the room. Despite his criticism of MS, all his talks assume Windows and MS everywhere. To promote user freedom, he should do more for people to ditch MS for good and to switch to Linux for example. While UE is one of the best engines that support Linux today, it's done as an afterthought, more by contribution of UE community, not so much as a big focus by Epic. Using Windows and complaining that MS can mess things up at any time is somewhat incoherent. Because MS indeed can do it. Make something to reduce relying on MS, that's a fix for it.

iamcreasy 10y ago
> it's done as an afterthought, more by contribution of UE community, not so much as a big focus by Epic. I think that's wrong. Linux support was on the road map, but since the engine was open source, the community(done by one person if I remember correctly) beat them to it. And today Linux is a fully supported platform. > Using Windows and complaining that MS can mess things up at any time is somewhat incoherent. Very true. Our only hope is to talk about it, and hoping that MS would listen.
- shmerl 10y ago
  > Our only hope is to talk about it, and hoping that MS would listen. I don't really care much whether MS will listen. What even if they won't? The only proper solution is not to depend on them altogether. > Linux support was on the road map, but since the engine was open source, the community(done by one person if I remember correctly) beat them to it. And today Linux is a fully supported platform. I red somewhere, that many merge requests were ignored for a long time, and Linux wasn't really much of a priority for Epic to begin with. They should focus on Linux more IMHO, including in such public statements. Otherwise these criticisms by Tim Sweeney seem more like rants, than any practical proposals on how to improve the situation.
  - iamcreasy 10y ago
    Agreed. But it's not just about games, or about Unreal engine. Its about all user level applications. And he is just pointing out this general problem.

serge2k 10y ago

> Gabe Newell I'm sure his attitude has nothing at all to do with owning steam and worrying that Microsoft might actually become a viable competitor. Oh, and unlike EA he can't rely on a customer base that has rabid hatred for MS.