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This is probably the biggest lie that I ever heard in my life. Go on and take your opiates if makes you happy, but don't try to deny reality. Alcohol is assumed

This is probably the biggest lie that I ever heard in my life. Go on and take your opiates if makes you happy, but don't try to deny reality. Alcohol is assumed every day by billions people in the world and it has absolutely no harmful effects if taken moderately. Actually there are several studies about the healthy effect of one glass of wine a day. A junkie instead cannot take his sh.t with moderation and will suffer plenty of ill effects.

ryanlol 10y ago
Opiates are consumed every day by tens of millions of people in the world and they have absolutely no harmful effects if taken according to prescription. That opiates when used in proper doses are extremely safe from a physical point of view is an indisputable fact.
- tigershark 10y ago
  For pain relief, not for getting high.
  - MichaelGG 10y ago
    There's basically no difference. Chronic pain users will end up on ever higher doses and get rx's with amounts that'll make junkies jealous. Severe pain might make them even more tolerant to the drug. Even then: I've had IV morphine at the hospital after getting my knee run through. I was high as hell. I've had hydrocodone given to me after hurting my back. Totally high, blissed out. Seems to be the common complaint: "I got pain pills, but they made me loopy!" It's like when people say meth (or Adderall or Ritalin) works differently on people with ADHD. No it doesn't, they're just coming from a different baseline. It'll help anyone think better. There might be some long-term problems with opiate use. Like reduced testosterone. Maybe reduced immunity (hard to tell, since so many chronic pain patients have severe illness). Prolonged constipation can certainly cause issues, too.
opiatethrowaway 10y ago
You're completely off base here. Many times more people die of alcohol than heroin and prescription analogs put together. Also, there are tons of people who use opiates responsibly and in moderation--I'm one of them. Finally, lose the anger, it's a symptom of alcoholism ;)
- tigershark 10y ago
  No one ever died for drinking a glass of wine a day. Heroin users can't use it moderately by definition. Enjoy your addiction, but don't try to lie to the world saying that opiates are innocuous just to feel better with your conscience. ;)
  - ryanlol 10y ago
    >Heroin users can't use it moderately by definition. I don't see why you think that taking one hit of heroin each day would be any harder than drinking a glass of wine a day. Perhaps the heroin is more enjoyable, but given such small consumption it won't inherently be any more addicting than alcohol.
    - tigershark 10y ago
      Ah ok, you are trolling. it's just a waste of my time.
      - ryanlol 10y ago
        Why do you think that I am trolling?
  - lostlogin 10y ago
    A glass of wine a day is actually a pattern that experts suggest avoiding. http://www.ias.org.uk/Alcohol-knowledge-centre/Consumption/Factsheets/A-good-measure-Units-and-drinking-guidelines.aspx http://www.ias.org.uk/Alcohol-knowledge-centre/Consumption/F...
lostlogin 10y ago
The benefits of alcohol drinking are very hard to separate from other factors that also differ between drinkers and non drinkers. There may be benefits but the data is hardly conclusive.

ryanlol 10y ago

Opiates are consumed every day by tens of millions of people in the world and they have absolutely no harmful effects if taken according to prescription. That opiates when used in proper doses are extremely safe from a physical point of view is an indisputable fact.

tigershark 10y ago
For pain relief, not for getting high.
- MichaelGG 10y ago
  There's basically no difference. Chronic pain users will end up on ever higher doses and get rx's with amounts that'll make junkies jealous. Severe pain might make them even more tolerant to the drug. Even then: I've had IV morphine at the hospital after getting my knee run through. I was high as hell. I've had hydrocodone given to me after hurting my back. Totally high, blissed out. Seems to be the common complaint: "I got pain pills, but they made me loopy!" It's like when people say meth (or Adderall or Ritalin) works differently on people with ADHD. No it doesn't, they're just coming from a different baseline. It'll help anyone think better. There might be some long-term problems with opiate use. Like reduced testosterone. Maybe reduced immunity (hard to tell, since so many chronic pain patients have severe illness). Prolonged constipation can certainly cause issues, too.

opiatethrowaway 10y ago

You're completely off base here. Many times more people die of alcohol than heroin and prescription analogs put together. Also, there are tons of people who use opiates responsibly and in moderation--I'm one of them. Finally, lose the anger, it's a symptom of alcoholism ;)

tigershark 10y ago
No one ever died for drinking a glass of wine a day. Heroin users can't use it moderately by definition. Enjoy your addiction, but don't try to lie to the world saying that opiates are innocuous just to feel better with your conscience. ;)
- ryanlol 10y ago
  >Heroin users can't use it moderately by definition. I don't see why you think that taking one hit of heroin each day would be any harder than drinking a glass of wine a day. Perhaps the heroin is more enjoyable, but given such small consumption it won't inherently be any more addicting than alcohol.
  - tigershark 10y ago
    Ah ok, you are trolling. it's just a waste of my time.
    - ryanlol 10y ago
      Why do you think that I am trolling?
- lostlogin 10y ago
  A glass of wine a day is actually a pattern that experts suggest avoiding. http://www.ias.org.uk/Alcohol-knowledge-centre/Consumption/Factsheets/A-good-measure-Units-and-drinking-guidelines.aspx http://www.ias.org.uk/Alcohol-knowledge-centre/Consumption/F...

lostlogin 10y ago

The benefits of alcohol drinking are very hard to separate from other factors that also differ between drinkers and non drinkers. There may be benefits but the data is hardly conclusive.