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Just because fentanyl has a shit therapeutic index doesn't mean it has a high body count (it gets used just fine even in tandem with other depressants in clinic
by pizza 10y ago
Just because fentanyl has a shit therapeutic index doesn't mean it has a high body count (it gets used just fine even in tandem with other depressants in clinical circumstances...) - I would say the problem is more in the hands of the tough-on-crime lawmakers who seem to lack, at least in my neck of the woods, remorse.
Also, look up sufentanil, and once you feel you're ready, carfentanil..
Also, yes, yes, fentanyl is made because of its potency and therefore cheapness, but a napkin-back calculation shows: 17 $ / g codeine * 100 g codeine / 70 g morphine in a conversion tek * 3 g morphine / 2 g heroin = ~$37 g/heroin, if you were a pretty good chemist, and could legally source precursors (pyridine HCL, acetic anhydride..), which is probably a lot better than the stepped on shit you would get for even 60 bucks a gram (although you can get 60 dollar grams on AlphaBay iirc). That's near a dollar a dose for an opiate-naive user and a day's worth for the 60-year old junkie down the street.
Also, the high/euphoria from fentanyl is much shorter lasting (hence its appropriate use in surgery) - I could see this encouraging heroin users to use more under the idea that they've simply increased their tolerance..
Also, Prince died with traces of U-47700 in his system.
- jshelly 10y agoI love this website
- oxide 10y agoAlso, consider the tried and true method of overdosing: taking your usual dose after a break in use. someone addicted to a certain amount of heroin per day who stops using (money, access, etc) will come back to heroin with a much lower tolerance than before. if they are sold fentanyl unknowingly, using a familiar amount can be a death sentence. if they are sold heroin cut with fentanyl, it could result in death as well. these aren't entirely new concepts, nor are they explicitly attributable to fentanyl. addicts across the country are keeling over every day from traditional overdoses, fentanyl's presence means everyone using heroin intravenously, even the 60 year old junkie, needs to have a test shot first. in my experience, fentanyl is good for withdrawal only. it is a cold, unfriendly high that leaves the user irritable. it's nothing like the warm embrace of morphine.
- rhizome 10y agoAs I read somewhere years if not decades ago, "opiates are only a problem when you can't get them or they're too strong."
- ourmandave 10y agoAlso, look up sufentanil, and once you feel you're ready, carfentanil.. So I did. And now my browser history is filled with random message boards of people discussing their tripping experiences with various chemicals. Also learned that most people consider Carfentanil crazy dangerous. And his bigger brother Ohmefentanyl is straight up poison.
- Aelinsaar 10y ago...People are shooting up Wildnil?!?!?! I assume they're mostly dying.
- notacoward 10y agoThey probably are, and in part because of reassuring BS such as at the top of this thread. Just because something seems safe from a completely rational perspective or that of someone highly educated doesn't mean real people in less privileged circumstances won't suffer from it. Theory and practice are only the same in theory.
- Aelinsaar 10y agoIncredible. I would be terrified to have an infusion of Wildnil unless I was actually in a medical setting, preferably with a crash cart and reversal drugs right on hand. I understand desperation though, and if people will cook their own desomorphine, I guess they will do ANYTHING.
- pizza 10y agoWell, the simple RP/HI process that turns ephedrine into meth works to turn codeine into desomorphine, and it's not really as if IV desomorphine will rot your limbs off.. but all sorts of things left in the cooked up sludge (sometimes basified using CIGARETTE ASH.. omg..) def will.. I have yet to come across a Wildnil experience report though, lol
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