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Can you tell me the reason behind you thinking that "100k for a JavaScript engeneer is more than the "fair share"? And why you highlight the word "engeneer"?

• blahi 10y ago
  Because you can achieve high proficiency rather quickly. Contrast this with engineers who optimize compliers who need much deeper and broader knowledge to make decisions in their day to day work, yet have the same comp. How is this fair? Again, it's a market and it is what it is.
  • usaphp 10y ago
    I think there is a flaw in your logic here. You are saying "you can achieve high proficiency rather quickly", but at the same time you are saying that "it's market and it's what it is". Since it's a market - it means there is a high demand in those "JavaScript engineers", and if it's so easy to become proficient then what prevents those "engineers who optimize compilers" to become proficient in JavaScript and compete in that market? Maybe it's not that easy to become somebody who can manage to bring enough value by "just" being a "JavaScript engeneer" for whom employees can pay 100k+ wages?
    • ksk 10y ago
      >and if it's so easy to become proficient then what prevents those "engineers who optimize compilers" to become proficient in JavaScript and compete in that market? Because money is not the only motivator for someone to work. And besides that, from a macro perspective the "free market" is simplistic propaganda. I don't know why people keep bringing it up. Nothing in the real world works that way. Real world is messy, arbitrary, impractical and irrational decisions are made every single day by all human beings. Normal human beings don't sit down and try to "optimize" some cost function in their life/work.
• trentmb 10y ago
  Because we're not actually engineers. https://www.nspe.org/resources/licensure/what-pe https://www.nspe.org/resources/licensure/what-pe Although there does appear to be a PE exam for software: http://ncees.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/SWE-Apr-2013.pdf http://ncees.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/SWE-Apr-2013.pdf
  • elteto 10y ago
    Having a PE license is by no means the definition of being an engineer. And if it was it would be a very narrow one. I work at an aerospace company, most of my peers with advanced degrees in mechanical, aerospace and electrical don't hold a PE and don't need it. Are those not engineers? I have a degree in aerospace by currently write software exclusively, am I not an engineer either?
  • balls187 10y ago
    Specific to the US No, we're not "professional engineers," which means we cannot testify in court as an expert in our field, and have limitations for what we can consult on based on the licensing requirements of your state. However, the title of "engineer" can be conferred upon an individual by an employer, during the term of their employment.
    • balls187 10y ago
      And to be fair, PE's have to take two licensing exams, the FE, then the PE. We on the other hand, have to take an "exam" everytime we show up for an in person interview.
    • NotSammyHagar 10y ago
      PE of course is a special term for that single accreditation agency. We can call ourselves whatever we want. The PE types have sued people in some places for calling themselves software "engineers" but they've pretty much given up on that. The work I do is engineering, I'm a professional.
  • strictnein 10y ago
    Sorry, but the NSPE has no say on the definition of what an "engineer" is or isn't. I mean, they say so as much: > "What makes a PE different from an engineer?" They're talking about a specific type of certification, not what an engineer is or isn't.