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Often times they demand that you uphold the fiction in order to work for them, which makes for fun social experiments in deflating mass self-delusion. Them: "W

Often times they demand that you uphold the fiction in order to work for them, which makes for fun social experiments in deflating mass self-delusion. Them: "We just really want to find people who are passionate about this work and these tools!" Me: "Anybody who is telling you they're 'passionate' about making yet-another-dashboards-as-a-service product on top of a tired old Java Spring software stack is lying to you." Them: "So you're not passionate about dashboards or Java?" Me: "No. No I am not. What I am is capable of fixing your performance and scale problems so that you don't lose your reference customers and destroy any chance you have at acquisition or IPO. Look on the bright side. At least I'm not lying to you." Them: "Oh. I see." Me: "I'm passionate about making money."

jfe 10y ago
You captured 18 months of personal depression in 7 lines :)
- im_down_w_otp 10y ago
  Sorry you've been dealing with depression. From experience I know that's a tough thing to grapple with. Being compelled to maintain sustained cognitive dissonance is a form of low-grade chronic stress, and unfortunately depression is often a side-effect of chronic stress. I'm always weary of places that are more interested in building a cult than a company for precisely these kinds of reasons. Get well, mate.
- groovy2shoes 10y ago
  A lot of us have been there. Hell, I'm there now, but in a far more mild way than I have been in the past, luckily for me. It got so bad at one point a few years ago that I wound up taking four whole months of medical leave due to severe depression and panic attacks, so I know how bad it can be, and you have my sympathy. If you think it would help, you might look into doing the same. I know it can be super hard to motivate yourself to take the necessary steps when you're depressed, but hopefully the thought of some relief is enough of a motivator, if only barely. The first step is to see a psychiatrist if you haven't already. If you need/want someone (not a mental health professional) to talk to, my e-mail address is in my profile. Either way, I hope things get better for you soon :)
Animats 10y ago
Was this comment supposed to go in the "Non-passionate developer" [1] thread? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12207970 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12207970
hashkb 10y ago
Bravo!

jfe 10y ago

You captured 18 months of personal depression in 7 lines :)

im_down_w_otp 10y ago
Sorry you've been dealing with depression. From experience I know that's a tough thing to grapple with. Being compelled to maintain sustained cognitive dissonance is a form of low-grade chronic stress, and unfortunately depression is often a side-effect of chronic stress. I'm always weary of places that are more interested in building a cult than a company for precisely these kinds of reasons. Get well, mate.
groovy2shoes 10y ago
A lot of us have been there. Hell, I'm there now, but in a far more mild way than I have been in the past, luckily for me. It got so bad at one point a few years ago that I wound up taking four whole months of medical leave due to severe depression and panic attacks, so I know how bad it can be, and you have my sympathy. If you think it would help, you might look into doing the same. I know it can be super hard to motivate yourself to take the necessary steps when you're depressed, but hopefully the thought of some relief is enough of a motivator, if only barely. The first step is to see a psychiatrist if you haven't already. If you need/want someone (not a mental health professional) to talk to, my e-mail address is in my profile. Either way, I hope things get better for you soon :)

Animats 10y ago

Was this comment supposed to go in the "Non-passionate developer" [1] thread? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12207970 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12207970

hashkb 10y ago

Bravo!