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I really, really like video tutorials. I always have problems learning completely new languages because i can't motivate myself to complete the introductionary

I really, really like video tutorials. I always have problems learning completely new languages because i can't motivate myself to complete the introductionary books. I want to start building things from day one, which is only possible when i am familiar with similar languages. With video-tutorials, i can watch them in the evening because the mental burden is not that great. I know i will miss things, but i watch them rather quick so i can start hacking after a few days (or 2 weeks max). I normally hit the limits of what i can do quickly, because i did not go through a whole book and completed exercise after exercise, but this is no problem, because i have a basic understanding of various parts and can revisit the appropriate videos or google a bit. I am happy this looks like some decent videos will finally produced for haskell

douche 10y ago
I, on the other hand, cannot stand video tutorials. I can read a lot faster than I can watch, and I retain information approximately 1000x better that way. Video players that are difficult to pause precisely and progress frame-by-frame to catch points of interest don't make it any better, nor does the lack of indexing and search-ability for voice/video versus text. But variety is good, different strokes for different folks.
- xwowsersx 10y ago
  I like videos, but if they don’t have good controls or a transcript I go insane. We’ll be including a transcript (modified so you could read it) with each video as well
  - happyslobro 10y ago
    Awesome. You know what would be really nice to have? Little markers at the beginning of points or concepts, like the numbers in the Bible. If I could bookmark those, and link to them from a digital notebook (are there any good Haskell notebooks?), that would make it very easy to come back to difficult concepts later, or to provide context with my own notes.
- jshevek 10y ago
  I agree. Optimized pacing and pausing happens naturally when we read, but people nearly always talk way too slowly for me to learn effectively from videos, and pauses are never optimized for my personal needs. It isn't just a waste of time, I just can't learn effectively when the information is presented at the wrong pace. Have you tried using VLC for the bookmarking and frame-by-frame hot keys? I exclusively use VLC for watching educational videos, so I can tweak the playback speed to my needs, and also jump backwards easily to have material repeated. One day we may have video players that watch our faces and body language to intelligently guess the best pace of playback, and note the sections where we are confused for future study.
  - ivan_ah 10y ago
    Yeah, I really like the video speed control for educational videos too. Curious, what speed do you normally use? 2x? more than 2x? Did you know about this app for controlling speed of any HTML5 video element https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/video-speed-controller/nffaoalbilbmmfgbnbgppjihopabppdk?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/video-speed-contro... ? I've recently started experimenting with uploading videos (math tutorials) to youtube already at 1.5x speed. I think my lessons become much more interesting, but some people said they really hate the 1.5x speed, and prefer to watch me talk slowly, so I don't know if 1.5x should be the default... Do you know other people who like to watch technical videos at 1.5x and 2x, or are we the exception?
    - jshevek 10y ago
      I did not know about that HTML5 video speed controller, thank you for sharing that. > Curious, what speed do you normally use? 2x? more than 2x? It varies greatly depending on how fast the person talks normally, the difficulty/newness of the subject matter, and the way they phrase their sentences (useless filler words, or densely meaningful?) There are some videos where the person talks fast enough (on a topic new to me, without filler words) for me to listen comfortably at 1.0. At the other extreme if they talk exceptionally slowly, use lots of filler words, and the topic is easy or something I'm familiar with I may push it past 3.0. Also, if I'm reviewing videos I've already studied. With foreign languages I may slow it down to 0.7 or so. > Do you know other people who like to watch technical videos at 1.5x and 2x, or are we the exception? I just assumed everyone does this at some point in time, unless it hadn't occurred to them. I mean, we all skim books that we've already studied, don't we? Refreshing our memory and looking for things we need to revisit (at normal reading speed)? Wouldn't everyone also want to 'skim' the videos they've already watched instead of re-watching at normal speed?

douche 10y ago

I, on the other hand, cannot stand video tutorials. I can read a lot faster than I can watch, and I retain information approximately 1000x better that way. Video players that are difficult to pause precisely and progress frame-by-frame to catch points of interest don't make it any better, nor does the lack of indexing and search-ability for voice/video versus text. But variety is good, different strokes for different folks.

xwowsersx 10y ago
I like videos, but if they don’t have good controls or a transcript I go insane. We’ll be including a transcript (modified so you could read it) with each video as well
- happyslobro 10y ago
  Awesome. You know what would be really nice to have? Little markers at the beginning of points or concepts, like the numbers in the Bible. If I could bookmark those, and link to them from a digital notebook (are there any good Haskell notebooks?), that would make it very easy to come back to difficult concepts later, or to provide context with my own notes.
jshevek 10y ago
I agree. Optimized pacing and pausing happens naturally when we read, but people nearly always talk way too slowly for me to learn effectively from videos, and pauses are never optimized for my personal needs. It isn't just a waste of time, I just can't learn effectively when the information is presented at the wrong pace. Have you tried using VLC for the bookmarking and frame-by-frame hot keys? I exclusively use VLC for watching educational videos, so I can tweak the playback speed to my needs, and also jump backwards easily to have material repeated. One day we may have video players that watch our faces and body language to intelligently guess the best pace of playback, and note the sections where we are confused for future study.
- ivan_ah 10y ago
  Yeah, I really like the video speed control for educational videos too. Curious, what speed do you normally use? 2x? more than 2x? Did you know about this app for controlling speed of any HTML5 video element https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/video-speed-controller/nffaoalbilbmmfgbnbgppjihopabppdk?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/video-speed-contro... ? I've recently started experimenting with uploading videos (math tutorials) to youtube already at 1.5x speed. I think my lessons become much more interesting, but some people said they really hate the 1.5x speed, and prefer to watch me talk slowly, so I don't know if 1.5x should be the default... Do you know other people who like to watch technical videos at 1.5x and 2x, or are we the exception?
  - jshevek 10y ago
    I did not know about that HTML5 video speed controller, thank you for sharing that. > Curious, what speed do you normally use? 2x? more than 2x? It varies greatly depending on how fast the person talks normally, the difficulty/newness of the subject matter, and the way they phrase their sentences (useless filler words, or densely meaningful?) There are some videos where the person talks fast enough (on a topic new to me, without filler words) for me to listen comfortably at 1.0. At the other extreme if they talk exceptionally slowly, use lots of filler words, and the topic is easy or something I'm familiar with I may push it past 3.0. Also, if I'm reviewing videos I've already studied. With foreign languages I may slow it down to 0.7 or so. > Do you know other people who like to watch technical videos at 1.5x and 2x, or are we the exception? I just assumed everyone does this at some point in time, unless it hadn't occurred to them. I mean, we all skim books that we've already studied, don't we? Refreshing our memory and looking for things we need to revisit (at normal reading speed)? Wouldn't everyone also want to 'skim' the videos they've already watched instead of re-watching at normal speed?