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>> Many people do not know how to address bad behavior that doesn't involve some form of fighting, punishment, etc and this tends to deepen the problem rather t
by at-fates-hands 10y ago
>> Many people do not know how to address bad behavior that doesn't involve some form of fighting, punishment, etc and this tends to deepen the problem rather than resolve it.
While I would agree with this, I would add that banning and punishing people only makes them try harder to continue to be the thorn in your side and make every else just that much more miserable.
Multiple accounts, using proxies, and other means to cloak your IP address then leads to spending untold hours trying to track this people down and block them instead of actually doing moderation and even site improvements.
It's a zero sum game in the end.
source: ran several BBS's in the late 90's early aughts.
- Mz 10y agoYes. Technical tools can be useful, but technical solutions do not solve social problems. Social problems require social solutions, something technically oriented people who run online communities sometimes seem to just not get. Thank you for adding that info.
- chc 10y agoA few people will do this. Most people won't, in my experience, especially if you use hellbanning. I've seen HN accounts full of rude comments that have been hellbanned for years.
- gtirloni 10y agoIs that a different term for "shadow banning"? I only recently came to know this while reading more about moderation techniques. Apparently people will be allowed to say whatever they want but nobody will see it? I wasn't aware HN had this.
- Mz 10y agoCheck your profile settings. There should be one called "Showdead." Turn it to "yes." If it is already at "yes," then you may have just not noticed because it looks similar to when someone's comment has been flagged to death or downvoted into the negatives.
- dang 10y agoI think it means the same thing as shadow banning. We have largely phased that out, except for spammers and serial trolls. For the most part we tell people that we banned them by posting a reply to one of their comments, and when they seem rehabilitable (I suppose that's not a word?) we invite them to email hn@ycombinator.com if they want to be unbanned.
- chc 10y agoDoes the automatic shadow ban when you reach super negative karma not happen anymore?
- dang 10y agoIt does still happen, because trolls. However, vouching allows the community to rescue legit dead comments, and we review all the vouches. That means that if an account has negative karma (perhaps because of a faux pas early in its history), but has been posting good comments since then, we'll eventually see it. When we do, we use an internal feature code-named 'redemption' to put its karma back to 1 and restore any remaining dead comments.