> Do you really guns are going to help, when the real threat is government overreach and the inaction of the populace? Keep electing "pro 2nd amendment" politic

> Do you really guns are going to help, when the real threat is government overreach and the inaction of the populace? Keep electing "pro 2nd amendment" politicians who also happen to vote for the patriot act and support NSA spying. < So your logic is, "because politicians have passed Patriot Act and govt spies through NSA, give up your gun rights"?? I see similar argument being made by other people, "there is no way you will be able to fight a totalitarian government with your guns", (even if it were true) the point is that we should give up our guns because we are already doomed? Isn't that even more reason to fight for gun rights? Quoting again from Federalist Papers #46, where James Madison responds to the argument similar to being made by you (you really should read it, because I am skipping a lot of meat): >>Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed 1/100th part of the whole number of souls; or one 1/25th part of the number able to bear arms.<< >> This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than 25 or 30 thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. << >> It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. <<