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So, you're one of those anti-free range children/helicopter parents I read so much about? "A loaf of bread, a container of milk, and a stick of butter." - http

by dalke 10y ago

So, you're one of those anti-free range children/helicopter parents I read so much about? "A loaf of bread, a container of milk, and a stick of butter." - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im4GwUD1UY8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im4GwUD1UY8 . That's what the US was like when I was a kid. Were they all bad parents then? As https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7YrN8Q2PDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7YrN8Q2PDU points out, "By Western standards, Japanese culture emphasises independence and self-reliance from an extraordinarily young age." Do you think all of Japan practices child neglect?

loorinm 10y ago
Uh, no. Sending a kid to a store has absolutely nothing to do with routinely relying on an electronic device to manage all of their daily activities. Kids COULD do a lot of things. They might be fine living alone in a box and learning everything online, for example. But that doesn't make it a good idea. I'm actually glad you bring up Japanese culture. Japan has several forms of institutionalized child abuse, as well as a culture with extreme conformism and too much social pressure for anyone to be vocal about dissent. So yeah, probably a product of the way kids are raised. Also, with the extreme xenophobia and non-acceptance of outsiders, it's probably safer on the streets there than an average US city. Providing your kid with day-to-day love and attention isn't really related to whether they leave the house or not.
- swasheck 10y ago
  You're still speaking in extremes and failing to see the middle ground. It's another logical fallacy. You're saying that they're relying on an electronic device to manage _all_ of the daily activities. You also take it to an extreme by saying that they "might be find living alone in a box." I don't think that anyone is proposing this, so now you're attacking a strawman. Providing your kid with day-to-day love and attention isn't really related to whether or not you give them a device to help them begin to manage their lives and schedules in bite-sized pieces in a digital age doesn't constitute abuse.

by dalke 10y ago

loorinm 10y ago

Uh, no. Sending a kid to a store has absolutely nothing to do with routinely relying on an electronic device to manage all of their daily activities. Kids COULD do a lot of things. They might be fine living alone in a box and learning everything online, for example. But that doesn't make it a good idea. I'm actually glad you bring up Japanese culture. Japan has several forms of institutionalized child abuse, as well as a culture with extreme conformism and too much social pressure for anyone to be vocal about dissent. So yeah, probably a product of the way kids are raised. Also, with the extreme xenophobia and non-acceptance of outsiders, it's probably safer on the streets there than an average US city. Providing your kid with day-to-day love and attention isn't really related to whether they leave the house or not.

swasheck 10y ago
You're still speaking in extremes and failing to see the middle ground. It's another logical fallacy. You're saying that they're relying on an electronic device to manage _all_ of the daily activities. You also take it to an extreme by saying that they "might be find living alone in a box." I don't think that anyone is proposing this, so now you're attacking a strawman. Providing your kid with day-to-day love and attention isn't really related to whether or not you give them a device to help them begin to manage their lives and schedules in bite-sized pieces in a digital age doesn't constitute abuse.