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It might be good to point out to you that the general industry cares very little about things like this. Racket could have literally the most advanced and robu

It might be good to point out to you that the general industry cares very little about things like this. Racket could have literally the most advanced and robust type system out of all programming languages in existence, and still be used by the same amount of people as today and have a hard time convincing anyone else to use it. What makes a language popular from what I have seen are libraries, frameworks, and community. Edit: Racket has all of the above, so obviously there are other factors as well.

hellofunk 10y ago
The tide is turning. Naughty Dog video game company (Uncharted, Crash Bandicoot, Jak and Daxter) uses Racket as its scripting language now.
- nikofeyn 10y ago
  do you have a source for that? it's not that i don't believe you. it's that i am interested. :) i have seen that one powerpoint from a while back where they used their own scheme dialect to script things. but i thought i had read that when they moved to the ps4 they left that behind and used c++ tooling for the same needs.
  - hellofunk 10y ago
    The scheme they have been using was PLT Scheme, which was renamed Racket.
    - nikofeyn 10y ago
      ahh. i know racket was plt scheme originally. but from my understanding, naughty dog was using their own lisp/scheme and now no longer uses that system. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Oriented_Assembly_Lisp https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Oriented_Assembly_Lisp your comment made it sound like they had returned to using a lisp but had chosen to use racket this time around.
      - hellofunk 10y ago
        My understanding is that they are currently using Racket, but I don't work there. This is often mentioned in the Racket community, I think one of the ND engineers spoke at a lisp conference recently about it.
        soegaard 10y ago
        Dan Liebgold: Racket on the Playstation 3? It's Not What you Think! Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSmqbnhHp1c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSmqbnhHp1c Slides: https://con.racket-lang.org/2013/danl-slides.pdf https://con.racket-lang.org/2013/danl-slides.pdf
      - lispm 10y ago
        Naughty Dog used a custom Scheme system for their early games. That one was written in Allegro Common Lisp. When they were bought by Sony, they abandoned their tools and moved on to C++, hoping to share code with the rest of Sony game developers. Didn't work out as wished. They brought Scheme back into their game development, but differently. For example: http://www.slideshare.net/naughty_dog/statebased-scripting-in-uncharted-2-among-thieves http://www.slideshare.net/naughty_dog/statebased-scripting-i...
        nikofeyn 10y ago
        i have seen that presentation, but i am fairly certain i recall from an uncharted 4 chat with a naughty dog developer that they no longer use that system once they moved to the ps4. this is in large part, i believe, due to their being a technology developer for multiple sony studios.
        lispm 10y ago
        http://n4g.com/news/1268353/naughty-dog-will-use-existing-uncharted-the-last-of-us-engine-for-ps4 http://n4g.com/news/1268353/naughty-dog-will-use-existing-un...
        hellofunk 10y ago
galdosdi 10y ago
The general industry is in fact starting to care about static typing; I've seen it happening lately. The last batch of hot languages included a lot of untyped languages like Python, Ruby, and JS. But the latest batch of rising star languages are typed, eg Go, Rust, Scala. And C/C++, C#, and Java are still all going strong. People are no longer buying the myth that the benefits of static typing can only be gained at the expense of heaps of boilerplate. The gospel is slowly spreading.
- hellofunk 10y ago
  Don't forget Apple's new flagship language, Swift.

hellofunk 10y ago

The tide is turning. Naughty Dog video game company (Uncharted, Crash Bandicoot, Jak and Daxter) uses Racket as its scripting language now.

nikofeyn 10y ago
do you have a source for that? it's not that i don't believe you. it's that i am interested. :) i have seen that one powerpoint from a while back where they used their own scheme dialect to script things. but i thought i had read that when they moved to the ps4 they left that behind and used c++ tooling for the same needs.
- hellofunk 10y ago
  The scheme they have been using was PLT Scheme, which was renamed Racket.
  - nikofeyn 10y ago
    ahh. i know racket was plt scheme originally. but from my understanding, naughty dog was using their own lisp/scheme and now no longer uses that system. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Oriented_Assembly_Lisp https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Oriented_Assembly_Lisp your comment made it sound like they had returned to using a lisp but had chosen to use racket this time around.
    - hellofunk 10y ago
      My understanding is that they are currently using Racket, but I don't work there. This is often mentioned in the Racket community, I think one of the ND engineers spoke at a lisp conference recently about it.
      - soegaard 10y ago
        Dan Liebgold: Racket on the Playstation 3? It's Not What you Think! Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSmqbnhHp1c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSmqbnhHp1c Slides: https://con.racket-lang.org/2013/danl-slides.pdf https://con.racket-lang.org/2013/danl-slides.pdf
    - lispm 10y ago
      Naughty Dog used a custom Scheme system for their early games. That one was written in Allegro Common Lisp. When they were bought by Sony, they abandoned their tools and moved on to C++, hoping to share code with the rest of Sony game developers. Didn't work out as wished. They brought Scheme back into their game development, but differently. For example: http://www.slideshare.net/naughty_dog/statebased-scripting-in-uncharted-2-among-thieves http://www.slideshare.net/naughty_dog/statebased-scripting-i...
      - nikofeyn 10y ago
        i have seen that presentation, but i am fairly certain i recall from an uncharted 4 chat with a naughty dog developer that they no longer use that system once they moved to the ps4. this is in large part, i believe, due to their being a technology developer for multiple sony studios.
        lispm 10y ago
        http://n4g.com/news/1268353/naughty-dog-will-use-existing-uncharted-the-last-of-us-engine-for-ps4 http://n4g.com/news/1268353/naughty-dog-will-use-existing-un...
      - hellofunk 10y ago

galdosdi 10y ago

The general industry is in fact starting to care about static typing; I've seen it happening lately. The last batch of hot languages included a lot of untyped languages like Python, Ruby, and JS. But the latest batch of rising star languages are typed, eg Go, Rust, Scala. And C/C++, C#, and Java are still all going strong. People are no longer buying the myth that the benefits of static typing can only be gained at the expense of heaps of boilerplate. The gospel is slowly spreading.

hellofunk 10y ago
Don't forget Apple's new flagship language, Swift.