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Under German law you can have part-time self-employed work alongside your normal job.

k__ 10y ago
And in fact, many people have. They need to give you the money somehow, if they don't want to employ you, that is (as far as I know) the only way.
- tobilg 10y ago
  You're right! But then I'd really wish they'd refine the phrasing of the rule section. In fact, if you have a full-time employer, this employer will in most work contracts reserve the "right" to your full work capacity, and will insist on a sign-off for other jobs besides the "full-time" one.
  - k__ 10y ago
    Sure, but the project you want to get fundet doesn't need to be full-time. I know a bunch of people in full-time employment, who are self-employed on the side for few hours a week. Also, some employers would let you reduce to 80% or 50% for a few months, if they're nice :)
    - tobilg 10y ago
      That's true. But I think for people who don't have a self-employment status yet, this is a big obstacle to even apply. Maybe it would make sense to open up the application for everybody, but to connect the grants to the self-employment status (i.e. the applicant get some timeframe to register the self-employment and if necessary talk to the employer). I just think the rules lead to a strong restriction of the applicant pool and also the possible grant-worthy projects. But this might be intended...
      - k__ 10y ago
        As far as I can tell, the application doesn't ask for informations on your self-employment status. And how long you are self-employed doesn't matter for the payment.
        tobilg 10y ago
        Yes, but my point is that nobody will try to get self-employement status first if he/she doesn't have it, before even knowing whether the project is accepted. This would have implications on the relationship to the full-time employer, and also from a tax perspective (which is quite a hassle here in Germany, IMHO...).
        Kliment 10y ago
        You can get self-employment status in Germany for 26€ and about an hour of waiting. It's a single form to fill in, and doesn't have any tax implications until you actually start receiving income from it. Your full-time employer doesn't need to be notified or asked for permission. (your contract may require notification if you actually perform additional work, but getting the status itself is extremely low hassle)

k__ 10y ago

And in fact, many people have. They need to give you the money somehow, if they don't want to employ you, that is (as far as I know) the only way.

tobilg 10y ago
You're right! But then I'd really wish they'd refine the phrasing of the rule section. In fact, if you have a full-time employer, this employer will in most work contracts reserve the "right" to your full work capacity, and will insist on a sign-off for other jobs besides the "full-time" one.
- k__ 10y ago
  Sure, but the project you want to get fundet doesn't need to be full-time. I know a bunch of people in full-time employment, who are self-employed on the side for few hours a week. Also, some employers would let you reduce to 80% or 50% for a few months, if they're nice :)
  - tobilg 10y ago
    That's true. But I think for people who don't have a self-employment status yet, this is a big obstacle to even apply. Maybe it would make sense to open up the application for everybody, but to connect the grants to the self-employment status (i.e. the applicant get some timeframe to register the self-employment and if necessary talk to the employer). I just think the rules lead to a strong restriction of the applicant pool and also the possible grant-worthy projects. But this might be intended...
    - k__ 10y ago
      As far as I can tell, the application doesn't ask for informations on your self-employment status. And how long you are self-employed doesn't matter for the payment.
      - tobilg 10y ago
        Yes, but my point is that nobody will try to get self-employement status first if he/she doesn't have it, before even knowing whether the project is accepted. This would have implications on the relationship to the full-time employer, and also from a tax perspective (which is quite a hassle here in Germany, IMHO...).
        Kliment 10y ago
        You can get self-employment status in Germany for 26€ and about an hour of waiting. It's a single form to fill in, and doesn't have any tax implications until you actually start receiving income from it. Your full-time employer doesn't need to be notified or asked for permission. (your contract may require notification if you actually perform additional work, but getting the status itself is extremely low hassle)