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Here is a project list: https://okfn.de/en/projekte/ https://okfn.de/en/projekte/ Looks like you can implement citizen/government related websites for a very

Here is a project list: https://okfn.de/en/projekte/ https://okfn.de/en/projekte/ Looks like you can implement citizen/government related websites for a very low salary. Using the term OSS seems like a stretch.

pudo 10y ago
How is it a "stretch" if we make open licensing a contractual requirement? For what it's worth: most of the software projects on that page have been developed by people on their own time, just because it's cool :)
- 01983091091 10y ago
  I don't see the point of funding the ONE area in software development where you can still make money, namely web companies. OSS for me is associated with thankless things like xterm, non-prestigious kernel drivers, Python modules etc. Are you going to fund such things? Really, to be more clear: If websites are also socialized, soon no one will be able to earn an income from programming at all.
  - pudo 10y ago
    Where does it say this is about websites? Or that it is against building (web) companies ? (Quite the opposite, actually!) I neither buy your point that 1.2mn R&D money will replace the dot-com economy with socialism, nor that there's no money in infra. Also, how come you think every place on the web should be for-profit? It's a bit like saying every city needs to turn all its parks and community centers into shopping malls so as not to undermine Starbucks right for revenue.
    - 02190191 10y ago
      The whole setup of this foundation is very website centric. The description of the candidates for funding is Internet centric. The emphasis is on "new projects". I can already tell you how it will go: People who are good at grant writing, have no shame in over-promising and throw around the right buzzwords will get the "R&D" money. After 6 months you'll have half-finished, bug ridden implementations that are bad copies of existing software, and the projects will be abandoned.
      - flapperleenie 10y ago
        I doubt it. So long as you have experts in the jury – as is the case with the prototype fund – you'll decrease the chances of BS proposals getting funded.
rubber_duck 10y ago
>Looks like you can implement citizen/government related websites for a very low salary. Sounds ideal for students, sort of like Google Summer of Code.
- therealmarv 10y ago
  30K for 6 months work? When I was a student I was not even dreaming of this income. I would freak out.
anc84 10y ago
Those are projects developed by OKFN. They have almost nothing to do with this fund where you come with your own ideas/projects.
syats 10y ago
€30K for 6 months is a pretty low salary? Not in Germany. Not anywhere.
- manarth 10y ago
  €30k for 6 months is a low contracting rate. Normalise that to €60k per year. Full-time work in Germany is 231 days (52 * 5, less 29 days legally-mandated holiday). €60k / 231 = €259.74 per day. So around €260/$290/£220 per day. This is definitely the low-end of freelancing/contracting rates in Germany[1]/Western Europe. [1] Contracting rates in Germany: http://forums.contractoruk.com/business-contracts/77870-hourly-rates-germany-age-area.html http://forums.contractoruk.com/business-contracts/77870-hour... (German)
  - Xylakant 10y ago
    You math is slightly off, it's 24 days of legally mandated holidays, but those assume a 6-day workweek (§ 3 BUrlG, see 1). Legally mandated holidays on a 5 days workweek is 20 days only. The actual number of workdays varies slightly with the location you're in as well. Some states have more federal holidays. Generally speaking the dominantly catholic part have more, the city of Augsburg has the most (they have the "Hohes Freiheitsfest", a holiday that is restricted to the city of Augsburg) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augsburger_Hohes_Friedensfest https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augsburger_Hohes_Friedensfest http://www.schulferien.org/Arbeitstage/arbeitstage-2016.html http://www.schulferien.org/Arbeitstage/arbeitstage-2016.html Your general point still stands: 30k is a low contracting rate and in general untenable for a freelancer. You should be earning at least twice as much. However, for open source work this is a major step up - you can make a living off it instead of self-funding your work. (1) https://dejure.org/gesetze/BUrlG/3.html https://dejure.org/gesetze/BUrlG/3.html
  - progx 10y ago
    And they pay only 60% ~ 155 per day
  - therealmarv 10y ago
    IMHO Contracting rates based on GULP are totally BS. If you make €60K you are very good for beeing a self employed (programmer) and make more money than many not self employed programmers (yes, even when you subtract all taxes, health insurance and your private retirement arrangements). Specialists in big corporates earn of course more (what GULP is targeting), but then at first place you have to be a specialist and need to have the expertise. Also don't forget that many people do not have work the whole time... so you have to see the GULP rates also in contrast to gap times where you have no income.

pudo 10y ago

How is it a "stretch" if we make open licensing a contractual requirement? For what it's worth: most of the software projects on that page have been developed by people on their own time, just because it's cool :)

01983091091 10y ago
I don't see the point of funding the ONE area in software development where you can still make money, namely web companies. OSS for me is associated with thankless things like xterm, non-prestigious kernel drivers, Python modules etc. Are you going to fund such things? Really, to be more clear: If websites are also socialized, soon no one will be able to earn an income from programming at all.
- pudo 10y ago
  Where does it say this is about websites? Or that it is against building (web) companies ? (Quite the opposite, actually!) I neither buy your point that 1.2mn R&D money will replace the dot-com economy with socialism, nor that there's no money in infra. Also, how come you think every place on the web should be for-profit? It's a bit like saying every city needs to turn all its parks and community centers into shopping malls so as not to undermine Starbucks right for revenue.
  - 02190191 10y ago
    The whole setup of this foundation is very website centric. The description of the candidates for funding is Internet centric. The emphasis is on "new projects". I can already tell you how it will go: People who are good at grant writing, have no shame in over-promising and throw around the right buzzwords will get the "R&D" money. After 6 months you'll have half-finished, bug ridden implementations that are bad copies of existing software, and the projects will be abandoned.
    - flapperleenie 10y ago
      I doubt it. So long as you have experts in the jury – as is the case with the prototype fund – you'll decrease the chances of BS proposals getting funded.

rubber_duck 10y ago

>Looks like you can implement citizen/government related websites for a very low salary. Sounds ideal for students, sort of like Google Summer of Code.

therealmarv 10y ago
30K for 6 months work? When I was a student I was not even dreaming of this income. I would freak out.

anc84 10y ago

Those are projects developed by OKFN. They have almost nothing to do with this fund where you come with your own ideas/projects.

syats 10y ago

€30K for 6 months is a pretty low salary? Not in Germany. Not anywhere.

manarth 10y ago
€30k for 6 months is a low contracting rate. Normalise that to €60k per year. Full-time work in Germany is 231 days (52 * 5, less 29 days legally-mandated holiday). €60k / 231 = €259.74 per day. So around €260/$290/£220 per day. This is definitely the low-end of freelancing/contracting rates in Germany[1]/Western Europe. [1] Contracting rates in Germany: http://forums.contractoruk.com/business-contracts/77870-hourly-rates-germany-age-area.html http://forums.contractoruk.com/business-contracts/77870-hour... (German)
- Xylakant 10y ago
  You math is slightly off, it's 24 days of legally mandated holidays, but those assume a 6-day workweek (§ 3 BUrlG, see 1). Legally mandated holidays on a 5 days workweek is 20 days only. The actual number of workdays varies slightly with the location you're in as well. Some states have more federal holidays. Generally speaking the dominantly catholic part have more, the city of Augsburg has the most (they have the "Hohes Freiheitsfest", a holiday that is restricted to the city of Augsburg) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augsburger_Hohes_Friedensfest https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augsburger_Hohes_Friedensfest http://www.schulferien.org/Arbeitstage/arbeitstage-2016.html http://www.schulferien.org/Arbeitstage/arbeitstage-2016.html Your general point still stands: 30k is a low contracting rate and in general untenable for a freelancer. You should be earning at least twice as much. However, for open source work this is a major step up - you can make a living off it instead of self-funding your work. (1) https://dejure.org/gesetze/BUrlG/3.html https://dejure.org/gesetze/BUrlG/3.html
- progx 10y ago
  And they pay only 60% ~ 155 per day
- therealmarv 10y ago
  IMHO Contracting rates based on GULP are totally BS. If you make €60K you are very good for beeing a self employed (programmer) and make more money than many not self employed programmers (yes, even when you subtract all taxes, health insurance and your private retirement arrangements). Specialists in big corporates earn of course more (what GULP is targeting), but then at first place you have to be a specialist and need to have the expertise. Also don't forget that many people do not have work the whole time... so you have to see the GULP rates also in contrast to gap times where you have no income.