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> getting rid of the jack substantially boosts battery life Yes, as you say, by moving the power draw for the DAC to another device, which must be charged sepa

> getting rid of the jack substantially boosts battery life Yes, as you say, by moving the power draw for the DAC to another device, which must be charged separately. This isn't a real gain in battery life in any way.

entee 10y ago
Yeah, I recognize that. It's also extra space to shove battery into. Like I said, I don't think it's a real worthwhile trade-off.
1anh2kqowg 10y ago
At least for most headphones with some kind of band, there is a lot of room for a battery.
- jschwartzi 10y ago
  There's also a lot of additional weight.
- grive 10y ago
  It's always possible to add a battery. That's not the problem. The problem is that we have a passive device, headphones, that works well and are a stable and mature tech, that will become crap. I dont want to charger yet another device in my daily routine. I won't, actually, and will steer away from any phone that requires active headphones to work.
  - 1anh2kqowg 10y ago
    I have a phone with a headphone jack, and I'm using Bluetooth headphones for hours every day. The headphone battery lasts a lot longer than the phone. In the past few years even audiophile brands have been releasing blueooth models and they are getting good. I'm not saying I agree with getting rid of the headphone jack. The amount of utility it provides is pretty high relative to the volume it takes up.
invaliddata 10y ago
Most of the people I know use the internal speakers on their phones extensively, and hardly ever use audio over either Bluetooth or the 3.5mm jack. In this case, how would battery life be improved. The DAC and amplifier cannot be removed unless the on board speaker is also. I hope this is not the case.
- 67726e 10y ago
  Do you know anyone who works out? Runs? Rides a bike? Maybe I'm in the minority but I could never imagine not having music pumping in my ears.
- flashman 10y ago
  > Most of the people I know use the internal speakers on their phones extensively These people are a pox on public transport.
- duaneb 10y ago
  The only people I know who don't use headphones are both teenagers and reviled by the people around them. If what you claim is the case, public transport would be a wasteland of pop music and clash of clans sound effects. I highly suspect your friends aren't representative in the least of the general population.
  - thaumasiotes 10y ago
    I use the phone's internal speakers to play music in the car. I would use the audio jack for that, except that cars no longer seem to come with any way of accepting an audio cable. My car from 2002 had a tape player, and I was happy using an audio cable with a casette tape adapter on the other end. A car from 2015 just can't do it. :( I also use the phone's internal speakers for playing the notification sound. (And, technically, ringing.) I sure hope that's not going away.
    - scatters 10y ago
      Doesn't your car have Bluetooth? Or rather: how old does a car have to be before it doesn't come with Bluetooth as standard? Every rental I've had in the last five years has had Bluetooth to my recollection, and I don't hire expensive cars.

entee 10y ago

Yeah, I recognize that. It's also extra space to shove battery into. Like I said, I don't think it's a real worthwhile trade-off.

1anh2kqowg 10y ago

At least for most headphones with some kind of band, there is a lot of room for a battery.

jschwartzi 10y ago
There's also a lot of additional weight.
grive 10y ago
It's always possible to add a battery. That's not the problem. The problem is that we have a passive device, headphones, that works well and are a stable and mature tech, that will become crap. I dont want to charger yet another device in my daily routine. I won't, actually, and will steer away from any phone that requires active headphones to work.
- 1anh2kqowg 10y ago
  I have a phone with a headphone jack, and I'm using Bluetooth headphones for hours every day. The headphone battery lasts a lot longer than the phone. In the past few years even audiophile brands have been releasing blueooth models and they are getting good. I'm not saying I agree with getting rid of the headphone jack. The amount of utility it provides is pretty high relative to the volume it takes up.

invaliddata 10y ago

Most of the people I know use the internal speakers on their phones extensively, and hardly ever use audio over either Bluetooth or the 3.5mm jack. In this case, how would battery life be improved. The DAC and amplifier cannot be removed unless the on board speaker is also. I hope this is not the case.

67726e 10y ago
Do you know anyone who works out? Runs? Rides a bike? Maybe I'm in the minority but I could never imagine not having music pumping in my ears.
flashman 10y ago
> Most of the people I know use the internal speakers on their phones extensively These people are a pox on public transport.
duaneb 10y ago
The only people I know who don't use headphones are both teenagers and reviled by the people around them. If what you claim is the case, public transport would be a wasteland of pop music and clash of clans sound effects. I highly suspect your friends aren't representative in the least of the general population.
- thaumasiotes 10y ago
  I use the phone's internal speakers to play music in the car. I would use the audio jack for that, except that cars no longer seem to come with any way of accepting an audio cable. My car from 2002 had a tape player, and I was happy using an audio cable with a casette tape adapter on the other end. A car from 2015 just can't do it. :( I also use the phone's internal speakers for playing the notification sound. (And, technically, ringing.) I sure hope that's not going away.
  - scatters 10y ago
    Doesn't your car have Bluetooth? Or rather: how old does a car have to be before it doesn't come with Bluetooth as standard? Every rental I've had in the last five years has had Bluetooth to my recollection, and I don't hire expensive cars.