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> * Function, scalable, and does not operate much like a co-op at the level of service delivery. REI falls into this category. No true scot? The definition of

> * Function, scalable, and does not operate much like a co-op at the level of service delivery. REI falls into this category. No true scot? The definition of a co-op is a group organized to meet economic or social desires through jointly owned business. What does this have to do with any particular approach to service delivery? You appear to be defining cooperatives as some unworkable theoretical concept and then any actual successful example of implementation is an exception. Convenient! Vanguard also falls into this category but is absolutely a cooperative.

Kalium 10y ago
Workers at REI get sub-$12/hr. REI is structurally and technically a co-op. They are just a co-op that does not exhibit the benefits of a co-op that Jacobin would suggest will flow from being a co-op. If it's structured like a co-op and exhibits none of the benefits of a co-op, what's been gained? I'm saying that co-ops generally have to sacrifice at least one of: structure, functionality, scalability.
- Nullabillity 10y ago
  > If it's structured like a co-op and exhibits none of the benefits of a co-op, what's been gained? At least you've cut out Wall Street and co.
- thatsso1999 10y ago
  REI is a consumer-owned co-op, not a worker-owned one. The entire co-op is designed around saving consumers money, not making the workers more. So yes, REI does deliver the benefits of a co-op to its owners - high-quality goods at a lower price than they would be unable otherwise be able to get. This is the entire point of a consumer co-op. Workers can also be member-owners of the co-op, and frequently are, but the benefits are geared towards getting better discounts on the goods REI sells. This is in addition to the implicit benefits of being an owner of the company and having a say in its direction.
  - mahyarm 10y ago
    So whats the difference between a co-op and a stockholder organization? Is it a stockholder organization with 1 stock unit = 1 member and you can issue stock for each new member?
  - malandrew 10y ago
    But the prices aren't actually lower than what can be had elsewhere even with the dividend you get back each year. The primary benefits of REI is how easy it is to return products you don't like or don't have a need for and the fact that you can get a product the same day if you live near one.
tomcam 10y ago
The definition you just gave for co-op also includes any publicly owned corporation.
- tanderson92 10y ago
  The economic or social desire is met for the owners, not for others. Perhaps I should have made that clearer.

Kalium 10y ago

Workers at REI get sub-$12/hr. REI is structurally and technically a co-op. They are just a co-op that does not exhibit the benefits of a co-op that Jacobin would suggest will flow from being a co-op. If it's structured like a co-op and exhibits none of the benefits of a co-op, what's been gained? I'm saying that co-ops generally have to sacrifice at least one of: structure, functionality, scalability.

Nullabillity 10y ago
> If it's structured like a co-op and exhibits none of the benefits of a co-op, what's been gained? At least you've cut out Wall Street and co.
thatsso1999 10y ago
REI is a consumer-owned co-op, not a worker-owned one. The entire co-op is designed around saving consumers money, not making the workers more. So yes, REI does deliver the benefits of a co-op to its owners - high-quality goods at a lower price than they would be unable otherwise be able to get. This is the entire point of a consumer co-op. Workers can also be member-owners of the co-op, and frequently are, but the benefits are geared towards getting better discounts on the goods REI sells. This is in addition to the implicit benefits of being an owner of the company and having a say in its direction.
- mahyarm 10y ago
  So whats the difference between a co-op and a stockholder organization? Is it a stockholder organization with 1 stock unit = 1 member and you can issue stock for each new member?
- malandrew 10y ago
  But the prices aren't actually lower than what can be had elsewhere even with the dividend you get back each year. The primary benefits of REI is how easy it is to return products you don't like or don't have a need for and the fact that you can get a product the same day if you live near one.

tomcam 10y ago

The definition you just gave for co-op also includes any publicly owned corporation.

tanderson92 10y ago
The economic or social desire is met for the owners, not for others. Perhaps I should have made that clearer.