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Miguel never ceases to amaze me on that front. Given he's not a stupid person I have reduced it down to a psychological explanation regarding his early days - g

by drats 17y ago

Miguel never ceases to amaze me on that front. Given he's not a stupid person I have reduced it down to a psychological explanation regarding his early days - getting denied after an MS interview and it turning into an obsession to prove his worth to them or something. But even that feels weak to me even if it is plausible. But weak is better than nothing, because there seems to be no other reason to be so credulous about their good intentions.

viraptor 17y ago
How about this then: MS does create some nice technologies (yes - .NET's design is quite nice compared to Java). Why not simply use them even if MS spreads some patent FUD. Not everyone believes in those claims and not everyone lives in US.
MichaelGG 17y ago
So someone smart does something you don't understand, and you decide it must be a psychological problem?
- drats 17y ago
  I said he wasn't stupid, I didn't say he was smart. I do think he is smart in the technical domain. I am not so sure about elsewhere. And "psychological problem" isn't what I said either, I just implied the explanation perhaps lay in his inability to get to Microsoft and then desiring their approval. Tons of people have long lost dreams that they romanticize. For example a lot of programmers, despite the horrific stories that come out of the games industry, still regret not going in that direction. You can see how someone who built up MS in their youth and didn't get there might also have such a longing and ignore the bad stories that come out. I hope I have clarified the not stupid/smart and the psychological explanation/problem differences between the wording of my post and yours for you.
  - nkohari 17y ago
    Miguel de Icaza is the foremost expert in the CLR that doesn't work for Microsoft. If he wanted to work for Microsoft in any capacity, I would bet anything that they would roll out the red carpet for him. You're either projecting or you don't know what you're talking about.
    - vetinari 17y ago
      He wanted to work for Microsoft, but they didn't employ him (to be fair, he was not US citizen and he didn't fulfil the H1-B requirements). After that, he started Gnome (complete with the CORBA-fiasco) and later Mono.
rbanffy 17y ago
> Given he's not a stupid person Your explanations assume good intentions. I wouldn't go as far.
uriel 17y ago
The most intelligent persons are often the best at fooling and deluding themselves. Once a path has been taken, it is very hard for an intelligent person to admit it might have been a mistake, it is too easy to rationalize and justify why you are right than to admit you might have been wrong.

by drats 17y ago

viraptor 17y ago

How about this then: MS does create some nice technologies (yes - .NET's design is quite nice compared to Java). Why not simply use them even if MS spreads some patent FUD. Not everyone believes in those claims and not everyone lives in US.

MichaelGG 17y ago

So someone smart does something you don't understand, and you decide it must be a psychological problem?

drats 17y ago
I said he wasn't stupid, I didn't say he was smart. I do think he is smart in the technical domain. I am not so sure about elsewhere. And "psychological problem" isn't what I said either, I just implied the explanation perhaps lay in his inability to get to Microsoft and then desiring their approval. Tons of people have long lost dreams that they romanticize. For example a lot of programmers, despite the horrific stories that come out of the games industry, still regret not going in that direction. You can see how someone who built up MS in their youth and didn't get there might also have such a longing and ignore the bad stories that come out. I hope I have clarified the not stupid/smart and the psychological explanation/problem differences between the wording of my post and yours for you.
- nkohari 17y ago
  Miguel de Icaza is the foremost expert in the CLR that doesn't work for Microsoft. If he wanted to work for Microsoft in any capacity, I would bet anything that they would roll out the red carpet for him. You're either projecting or you don't know what you're talking about.
  - vetinari 17y ago
    He wanted to work for Microsoft, but they didn't employ him (to be fair, he was not US citizen and he didn't fulfil the H1-B requirements). After that, he started Gnome (complete with the CORBA-fiasco) and later Mono.

rbanffy 17y ago

> Given he's not a stupid person Your explanations assume good intentions. I wouldn't go as far.

uriel 17y ago

The most intelligent persons are often the best at fooling and deluding themselves. Once a path has been taken, it is very hard for an intelligent person to admit it might have been a mistake, it is too easy to rationalize and justify why you are right than to admit you might have been wrong.